Suzanne Gray - Mindless Troll and HLA Groupie

[Anonymous]

For the very last time... I DON'T know Suzie Gray and since I don't work at HLA, I don't have access to any student files. Nor do I care who you are. I have answered questions relating to my past experiences as an employee there. I have never made this a secret and have even identified myself as Tony. I thought we had covered this. I sure hope you expend a little more energy paying attention in class. Since you obviously refuse to engage in reasonable or even diplomatic dialogue I guess it is time to say goodnight.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-30 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"For the very last time... I DON'T know Suzie Gray and since I don't work at HLA, I don't have access to any student files. Nor do I care who you are. I have answered questions relating to my past experiences as an employee there. I have never made this a secret and have even identified myself as Tony. I thought we had covered this. I sure hope you expend a little more energy paying attention in class. Since you obviously refuse to engage in reasonable or even diplomatic dialogue I guess it is time to say goodnight. "

Right you dont know her...never spoken to her before in your life. You were a staff member during her time there were you not? She has claimed she knew everyone there. But hey Im sure youre telling the truth no reason to get upset.

Youre right though, I have been rude to you. I should conduct myself more honorably. Youve have been both curteous and respectfull. You have listened to my opinion and I have been unwilling to hear your side. I promise from now on I will take a page from your book and engage in "reasonable and diplomatic dialogue".



Go kill yourself.  :wave:

HAHAHA typical staff behavior.

[Anonymous]

Therapy or Torture?

Excerpts from ... Torture:

"Techniques described in the November 18 ABC News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. These techniques were used by Soviet and North Korean interrogators, and have been reported more recently in Egypt, Burma, Iran and Turkey. This backgrounder provides descriptions of these techniques and their effects ? both historical examples and accounts from the State Department?s own human rights reports."

"The Washington Times reported last year that ?some of the most feared forms of torture? cited by survivors of the North Korean gulag ?were surprisingly mundane: Guards would force inmates to stand perfectly still for hours at a time, or make them perform exhausting repetitive exercises such as standing up and sitting down until they collapsed from fatigue.? (?Nightmares from the North; Korean son recounts life in dictatorship,? Benjamin Hu, The Washington Times, April 30, 2004.) "

"In The Gulag Archipelago, Aleksander Solzhenitsen describes Soviet interrogations including cases of forced standing and sleep deprivation: ?Then there is the method of simply compelling a prisoner to stand there.? Among other techniques used to break prisoners was forcing them to stay in a fixed position for an extended period of time."

"Pakistan: In the country reports, the State Department noted that prolonged isolation and denial of food or sleep were common torture methods."

"Tunisia: In the country reports, the State Department said that tactics such as food and sleep deprivation or confinement to a tiny, unlit cell were commonly used in Tunisia."

"Turkey: The State Department stated that torture is a regular practice in Turkey. According to the 2001 country report, some of the methods of torture employed by Turkish security forces included prolonged standing and isolation."

Just an excerpt from the relevant stuff. Sounds alot like iso at WWASPS to me!  
           
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#150745

[Anonymous]

I have no intentions of killing myself. I came onto this site after being referred to it by a former student. There have been several good points made. As far as Robert's posts...I have openly supported the reasoning behind them, just not the delivery. I still hold onto the ideology that everyone has the right to express their own opinion without the fear of being attacked. I do however agree that they should only refer to things that they have first hand knowledge of. I hope the topics become less focused on personal attacks and more on change.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-01 19:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have no intentions of killing myself. I came onto this site after being referred to it by a former student. There have been several good points made. As far as Robert's posts...I have openly supported the reasoning behind them, just not the delivery. I still hold onto the ideology that everyone has the right to express their own opinion without the fear of being attacked. I do however agree that they should only refer to things that they have first hand knowledge of. I hope the topics become less focused on personal attacks and more on change. "

You were the one who brought up the suggestion of suicide in the first place. One more time typical staff behavior. You behave reprehensively, yet when you find the people you attack can give as good as you can, and often better, you claim youre taking the high ground. It amazes me how very little has changed in the years.

No one attacked you until you set the tone, you made it personal. Dont bitch when others treat you the same way. You claim its a useless tactic to use your own techniques against you, but I disagree. It exposes you for what you are, forcing you to deal with the real issues because you cant handle defending against your own tactic. It also lets you and those watching know that the other person is smarter than you. In this case much smarter. Afterall, if we can handle it when you throw it at us, what does it say when you cant handle it when we throw it right back at you?

Now while your thinking about that lets get back to those questions regarding restraining students.

Also why do you think they changed the policy regarding food rationing and forcing students to remain outdoors almost the entire day?

Do they still do work assingments? If so what kind?

[Anonymous]

How in the world did I bring up the topic of suicide? I think your statement was probably the worst I have seen yet on this board. As far as my "tactics," I have none. I (much like you) choose to be myself and speak freely. I don't believe that I am taking a "high road." I have been pretty clear that I don't really care about your opinions of me or your comments. I have yet to "bitch" about anything you have said. Since I have not been at HLA for almost 5 years I cannot explain what they are currently doing there...I imagine they changed the restrictions policies because they felt they were inappropriate? So what exactly is your end goal in this line of questioning?

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-01 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How in the world did I bring up the topic of suicide? I think your statement was probably the worst I have seen yet on this board. As far as my "tactics," I have none. I (much like you) choose to be myself and speak freely. I don't believe that I am taking a "high road." I have been pretty clear that I don't really care about your opinions of me or your comments. I have yet to "bitch" about anything you have said. Since I have not been at HLA for almost 5 years I cannot explain what they are currently doing there...I imagine they changed the restrictions policies because they felt they were inappropriate? So what exactly is your end goal in this line of questioning?"

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 1&start=20

take a look for yourself. The conversation had been discussing the amount of suicide attempts occuring at HLA. You made the apparently erroneous claim (without having the means of knowing) that while several students had hurt themselves only one had really attempted suicide. I asked you explain what constituted a real suicide attempt versus simply hurting ones self. You then stated there was a big difference (explaining nothing as to how you determine the difference) and then suggested I try it myself.

Now perhaps your memory fails you, again typical staff behavior. Remember only the sins of others (not that I sinned against you, just mocked) and completly forget your own.

Now youre claiming you dont have a tactic yet you seem to follow Bullfrogs school of thought to the letter. Again claiming youve never met her and all the times you two posted at almost the exact same time was just a coincidence. Your or rather her..who am I kidding she's not smart enough..the way Buchi instructed her to act is to avoid answering questions, detract from the issue with pointless comments that have no bearing, engaged in personal attacks on people and play the victim when they do the same to you, feign forgetfullness or innocence iregardless of the facts, and of course deny deny deny.

You have done nothing but bitch and make personal attacks and idle threats.

Im wondering since you havent been at HLA in five years, how were you able to claim there had only been one suicide attempt in the last three years.

Oh and Im asking you about changes in the restriction policies since when the policies were in place they were lauded as being very effective and reasonable. Why then the change? Does it suggest that those of us who suffered under it might have a legitimate complaint against the school?

Oh and you still havent answered my question regarding what you knew about kids being restrained.

[Anonymous]

You are way off the mark with this one. If you can actually check IP addresses (as you have claimed in the recent past) I have never engaged in the conversations you just referenced. Even without the IP address you can tell by the dialogue, sentance structure, etc. I guess this is yet another example of how your rude responses are aimed at the wrong people. Your frequent use of "staff behavior" quips is somewhat humorus as every person choosing to work at HLA brings their own personality traits to the table.  That would be like me saying that your antagonistic comments and use of profanity is "typical student behavior" and expecting you to enjoy being lumped into a single category.  Obviously, not every student had the same mentality.  Moving on, I do recall you asking me about students being restrained in one of your posts. Again, I have no first hand knowledge of a student restraint during the time that I was there.

[Anonymous]

So Tony, how does contributing to the unnecessary argument meet your needs?
If you used your user name, or signed your posts we wouldn't have had to read two pages of your defensive comments.
Why have you engaged RB in this manner? Then criticize him for the same.
Sign your posts, or you can expect to be confused with the regular staff that post anonymously.
Was this 'bait and confuse' strategy? That is typical staff behavior.

[Anonymous]

To date, the issue at hand has been an issue between Robert and I. I don't think he needs any outside support (as he hasn't needed it so far). I can only imagine that many people don't sign their posts (much like you) for a variety of reasons to include: they are in a hurry, they don't want to personalize the conflicts that arise, or they just prefer to be anon. After engaging in an argument with Robert I chose to sign my post because I was responible for it. I really don't think I baited Robert but can respect that you apparently feel that way. If you actually go back and read my posts (difficult since many aren't signed?) I have more often than not supported his points or feelings, just not his tone.  As for my future posts...I will not be making any. I really don't see the point in arguing...it doesn't meet my needs. I honestly do feel there are many prgrammatic changes that should occur in TBS settings (not just HLA). Good luck with your crusade. I would encourage all of you to speak of firsthand experiences or verified facts versus conjecture.

[Anonymous]

If it's really a private thing, between 'you and RB', why not PM him?
It looked like baiting to me. You jumped in the midst of anon postings as an anon yourself, and no one should be expected to distinquish between anon posters based on 'sentence structure/syntax'.
If you're wrongly accused or misunderstood, point it out, kinda goes with the territory when you don't identify yourself.

[Anonymous]

Why the hell does it matter if someone comes on with a username or anon?  No one knows who you are either way.  If everyone wants to be totally up front with each other then they would use their real names.  That's why Robert Bruce is so adamant about no one finding out who he really is.  He (or she) is afraid of the consequences.  I would love to know the real name of some of you folks, but I am not going to stress about it, because it will likely never happen.  People on sights like this don't want to be know, which is one reason why outsiders who read these postings are typically not influenced by them.  Why listen to someone who is afraid of making themselves known?

[Deborah]

Point being, user names eliminate confusion around who said what, assists with the flow of discussion, decreases misunderstandings. Doesn't matter that one is still anonymous. Any identifier would be helpful, even if it was a letter (X) or an icon at the bottom of every post.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-12-02 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are way off the mark with this one. If you can actually check IP addresses (as you have claimed in the recent past) I have never engaged in the conversations you just referenced. Even without the IP address you can tell by the dialogue, sentance structure, etc. I guess this is yet another example of how your rude responses are aimed at the wrong people. Your frequent use of "staff behavior" quips is somewhat humorus as every person choosing to work at HLA brings their own personality traits to the table.  That would be like me saying that your antagonistic comments and use of profanity is "typical student behavior" and expecting you to enjoy being lumped into a single category.  Obviously, not every student had the same mentality.  Moving on, I do recall you asking me about students being restrained in one of your posts. Again, I have no first hand knowledge of a student restraint during the time that I was there. "

So youre claiming now you arent Jarhead and you didnt PM me?

Also I asked you if youd ever heard about it occuring while there.

[Deborah]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 130#150717