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« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »
Robert,

I need help in locating the letter Marla wrote
to all on fornits....I cannot find it anywhere.

If you can help, it would be appreciated..She seems to have dropped off the earth.  It was in February..
Thanks
juniper
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« Reply #91 on: November 28, 2005, 01:53:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-28 10:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"yep still no proof, just baseless claims. as for licsenure, that's the states issue, talk to the legislature, they meet downtown in atlanta, i'm sure they will want to help you"


Claim its baseless all you want, it doesnt change the truth of the matter. Oh and the licsensure issue isnt really one for the legislature, its more one for the court. See HLA claims to the state they are a traditional boarding school (as I have proven) yet advertises as a theraputic boarding school (also proven by me). Is this legal? Is it ethical? HLA has not found a legal loophole, they are operating illegally by lying to the state (again proven by me) and why do they do this? To avoid state regulations (one more time proven by me by illustrating what regs they would then be forced to follow).
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« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-28 10:51:00, Juniper1 wrote:

"Robert,



I need help in locating the letter Marla wrote

to all on fornits....I cannot find it anywhere.



If you can help, it would be appreciated..She seems to have dropped off the earth.  It was in February..

Thanks

juniper"


Ginger will have it cached, if not then let me know and ill send it to you.
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« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
Robert,
Could you send it to me?  Ginger...I am sorry, I don't know how to access...Thanks so much.

juniper
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« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2005, 02:31:00 PM »
AMAZING FORUMS: Teacher Runs From HLA

Author  Topic:   Teacher Runs From HLA  
marla  posted 2/7/05 5:15 PM        
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I am a rare adult survivor of HLA - I got out IN FEBRUARY 2005,with a little sanity left. After teaching special education for nearly 20 years, I only survived 6 months at HLA. The kids don't feel they can talk to their counselors - maybe its manipulation - maybe not, so they told me things, but I was not in a position to do much except listen without criticizing them and then report safety concerns.ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL." They certainly can't tell their parents their real feelings and experiences without being punished for being manipulative by those who are assigned to monitor their mail, email and phone calls. HLA is not the panacea for all teen problems - most of which kids grow out of or learn to use to their advantage in the business world. Some HLA kids need counseling, some need AA, some need psych hospitals; most need love and time to mature - most are there because their parents were MANIPULATED BY ED. CONSULTANTS AND HLA advertisements. Want a GREAT LAUGH? Go to "struggling teens.com/archives/2001/6/visit01.html" this is a site from "Woodbury Reports, Inc." some ed. consultant deal out of Idaho. This site, while only a few years old, certainly did not describe the HLA I just left. The article claimed the campus was attractive - that's about the only info. I can agree with in their entire review. All the "players" names have changed, except Len, who still owns it and seems like a decent guy, only he leaves the "Mice to play" while he does all his other business things and they do whatever they find most convenient (and maybe even sadistically fun). The article says all teachers are certified - try maybe 20%! The site claims all the kids have IEPs - not! Even if they come in with an IEP, HLA does not have to abide by it because they are a private institution. 100% do not attend college! The cafeteria does not over look the lake - maybe they visited on a rainy day! Restrictions kids get less food and water and are supervised by folks with questionable objectives. Most of the counselors are straight out of college with no experience, so they buy into what the administrators feed them about treating kids in a very punitive way and being constantly suspicious, not to mention telling them behavior modification works. It has been proven that behavior modification in humans is temporary at best.PARENTS - DO YOURSELF AND YOUR WALLET A FAVOR - BEFORE PICKING ANY BOARDING SCHOOL, VISIT UNANNOUNCED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER PLACING YOUR KID IN ONE, VISIT UNANNOUNCED. Refuse to be treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and fed crap! (Parents need to know when their son has been beaten up by a group of homophobic guys. (Some of the kids who came to tell me their problems were gay and felt they were being discriminated against because of this by their counselors and others.) Parents need to know when their daughter has stepped in big puddles of blood first thing in the morning that were left behind by her suicidal roomate. Parents need to know that group therapy has been shown to be more harmful than helpful for "cutters." THIS IS ALL SERIOUS AND FROM THE HEART BECAUSE I TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS.
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« Reply #95 on: November 28, 2005, 03:07:00 PM »
Thanks so much...You have enormously helped us...
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« Reply #96 on: November 28, 2005, 06:38:00 PM »
I went to the ORS website. I see Hidden Lake listed as having been registered on the site due to an onsite X ray machine. I don't see an option in their list of facilities for "therapeutic boarding school". I see outdoor therapeutic camps, drug rehab centers and the like, but not anything called "therapeutic boarding school". I do see Ridge Creek listed as being accredited. It looks like Hidden Lake is not required to be licensed by the ORS.
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« Reply #97 on: November 28, 2005, 06:41:00 PM »
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =96#150059

You called Mr. Gray a child abuser in this post, and in previous posts as well. Did he or did he not abuse you?
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« Reply #98 on: November 28, 2005, 06:44:00 PM »
This is the intended quote from Robert:

 "As to your comments, Fat Bill was instrumental in a systematic and organized form of child abuse, he is a child abuser.

Do you deny typing this? In this post you called him a child abuser.
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« Reply #99 on: November 28, 2005, 08:30:00 PM »
Is little Robbie getting upset? I cannot believe you brought up the sledding issue again. Were you there each winter? Maybe she is referring to a time that you weren't there. If not, you just dated yourself as to when you attended. Maybe in between justifying how you can wrongfully slander Bill Gray you can think of something witty or creative to say.
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« Reply #100 on: November 28, 2005, 08:51:00 PM »
I dont know why he brought up the sledding issue again either. I stated the years that we had those black plastic sleds, and what hill we sledded on, and with who, and where those sleds were stored. I do have a few pictures of sledding on that hill but I discoverd several months ago when I went to my storeroom that my picture boxes are in the very back of my store room behind all my father's furniture. It got moved to the back when I had to take my father and grandfather in last year. So I didnt think it would be worth it to take apart the entire 20 x 20 store room just for a few pictures that Robert would just tear apart and call fake anyway, so I didn't bother.
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« Reply #101 on: November 28, 2005, 09:11:00 PM »
Correct. No classification for TBS. A gross oversight on ORSs part. Might that be because all the TBSs in Ga have claimed to be private boarding schools, hence the state's ignorance?

However, they do have a classification for Residential Care Facility. Read the definition of an RCF and post which aspects of you believe do not describe HLA.

FYI.... ORS is 'licensed' by ORS, not 'accredited'.

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« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2005, 09:26:00 PM »
The real issue here regarding abuse is the obvious differences in definitions between those who dole it out and those who receive it.
Considering the changes that have ocurred, one could conclude that there were (may still be) some unethical practices and policies happening.
If any teacher or staff knew and didn't report it, they are just a guilty as the policy makers, particularly the 'professional' staff.
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« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2005, 09:28:00 PM »
Correction:
RC is 'licensed' by ORS, not 'accredited'.
There is a difference in those terms. You should learn the difference so as not to bring confusion to the discussion.
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« Reply #104 on: November 28, 2005, 11:20:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-28 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I went to the ORS website. I see Hidden Lake listed as having been registered on the site due to an onsite X ray machine. I don't see an option in their list of facilities for "therapeutic boarding school". I see outdoor therapeutic camps, drug rehab centers and the like, but not anything called "therapeutic boarding school". I do see Ridge Creek listed as being accredited. It looks like Hidden Lake is not required to be licensed by the ORS. "


By all means post the link to the site you visited. Quid pro quo. I believe ORS does not dole out licenses but rather is a means of companies to register with the state. As HLA has registered as  traditional boarding school with ORS rather than a theraputic boarding school, hence the issue. Oh and Ridge Creek is only accredited or licensed because of Deborahs efforts, prior to her HLA tried the same argument claiming they werent required to be licensed, it didnt work then nor will it work now. Claiming HLA does not need a license to operate is like claiming you dont need a license to drive a car.

All businesses require licensure. Espically a for profit organization like HLA.
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