Suzanne Gray - Mindless Troll and HLA Groupie

[SHH Anon Classics]

I don't know who Dolores is but Ill try to answer these if I know the answers to them

1) The only time I said something that wasn't true was when I was anonymous because I got tired of the personal insults from you and was trying to avoid that scenario by posting anonymous. So then you found out that a few posts were mine. Big deal. It wasn't that big of a secret anyway.

2) There are alot of my statements you have twisted to fit your agenda. You have stated that even though I shared my experiences that they could not have happened the way I told you they did. You stated that since you talked to a few people who didnt know me then I must have been making up being on campus. You stated that when I mentioned things that happened on campus that they couldnt have happened because a few students didnt remember them. You stated that since I didnt know some things about counseling that therefore I didnt know anything. You stated that Bill must have kicked me to the curb for a better wife when I told you we got divorced. How do you know I didnt divorce him? You take anything I say, make it sound like something else, then insult me. You twist alot Robert. Its fairly obvious.

3) You dont talk to "hundreds" of students. In addition, some of the students you talk to might have been at the school 10 or 11 years ago. They might not remember me if I wasnt their teacher or counseler. That doesnt mean that I wasnt on campus almost every day the 4 years I lived there. They probably just didnt know who I was when they saw me. I also was gone after Feb of 2001 so nobody after that would have known who I was. That doesnt mean I didnt work there or wasnt on campus. It means you are talking to people I didnt know or people who were there before we moved on campus or after I moved away.

4)I dont think everybody on here is lying. I have noticed however that the same story is passed around among a few students and its not hard to do that when you dont like a school and want it to sound bad. Get a story and pass it around so it looks like the same thing happened more than once. Funny though, Ive heard the same exact story with the same scenario from 2 different students. Too similar to just be the same experience from differnt angles. Too much like the same story. So it lends itself to a validity issue. In addition, some things I have seen posted on here I NEVER heard about while on campus, and trust me, with a radio in the house on at all times (24/7) we heard every time a kid ran away, every time a kid fought with another kid, every time anything happened while we were on campus, I heard it on that radio. So we knew what was going on almost all the time. And some of the things Ive seen on here, I never heard or saw while there so it makes me seriously doubt the validity of some things. (not all, but some).


4a)I dont think my testimony always bears more weight than others. I do think it bears more weight than some. YOu seem to think that it bears absolutely no weight when, in fact, I have just as much of a valid say of my experiences as you.

5) I know about the toothbrush issue because I never saw a kid in the dumpster and the dumpster belonged to a company and people werent supposed to go in it except to retrieve something that was not supposed to be thrown away. The company was responsible for the cleaning therefore there would have been no reason for students to even go in it, much less with a toothbrush. That would not have been allowed by the head counselor. I also asked around to some people I know and nobody ever remembered anything like that ever happening.

6) I know what work assignments consisted of because I saw them being done most of the time. One job was working on flower beds. Another job was watering plants by the front school sign. Another job was raking. Another job was picking up sticks that were lying along the main roads to make it look neater. Some was stacking rocks for rock walls. Sometimes the work assignments were things like working in the kitchen helping or helping maintenance do things. But once again, you made it sound as if they did ALL the maintenance and my father in law was head of maintanence and I know what his job entailed and trust me they did the absolute majority of maintenance and it was only marginally assisted by the students. NO matter what you say about that I know for a fact that maintenance did alot around campus.

7) I believe that the licensing issue is something that the state needs to clarify, and not the fault of HLA. Alot of things do not need licensing in the state of Georgia. That being said, I am not saying that is necesarrily a good idea. But, with the unique type of school that HLA is, it might be a gray area the state hasnt had a chance to address on how they want to license it or whether or not it needs this type or that. I do think things like schools should be monitored for safety issues, etc. But I think the licensing issue is a confusing one for the state with the school only because of the state's policies, and the dual type of school that HLA is, not because of anything shady. They have alot of different types of groups visiting the school, including govt entities, which to me means they do not need to worry about being inspected if they have so many people touring and visiting. They arent trying to hide anything, and that is what you keep on trying to insinuate. But as far as what they should be licensed exactly as, I dont know. that is a question to ask the state.

:cool:My answer above covers this question too.

9) Its not more information I need, its proof that I havent seen. I hear alot of stories, but no proof. You say you have pictures. That would be proof, but depending on what they look like, it would also be hard to prove what the pictures are of exactly. Atrocities, as you state have been committed, would have to be proven, for someone to be held responsible. It seems to me if they had actually happened, people woudl have been fired, things would have changed, etc. It also depends on what one would consider an atrocity. Being made to work during work restrictions is not an atrocity. Sexual abuse is. No dessert at dinner is not an atrocity. Sometimes what a 15 yr old considers horrible is not so horrible when you are an adult. Sometimes being made to clean your room is considered slave labor, to a 15 yr old. Im just saying the perspective on some of this may be a bit skewed on what is truly an atrocity and what isnt.

10) You stated it look 6 months to get things fixed. I personally know of issues that they were able to get a plumber or other company out in a week so the 6 months seems a bit exagerated. What specifically took 6 months to get done? There wouldnt be a reason to wait 6 months for something that was a legitimate maintenance issue. Im thinking it wasnt actually 6 months or it wasnt actually a legitimate maintenance issue.

11) I think a true pest problem would be treated by the school. However, that being said, you stated only dirty homes have mice, thats not true. Mice come into buildings in the winter and when there is a drought. It has nothing to do with dirty homes. Also, black widow spiders come into homes no matter how much you spray. I have personally found 3 of them in my yard here and 1 inside in my home where i live now. As far as what kind of bugs bit George in his bed, I have no clue what that could have been other than mosquitos or fleas. Now the problem with spraying dorms is, it can be highly dangerous to kids who have asthma, it also can be dangerous to small spaces. The issue of whether or not to spray should be considered carefully. And then its only effective on fleas, roaches, and some rodents. Not necesarrily on spiders. As far as maintenance, I think students should keep their areas clean. That includes vacumming, cleaning mirrors, washing sheets, etc. If a maintenance issue that had nothing to do with students came up then maintenance should do it. But I think students should clean their dorms.

12)I do think some kids didnt need to be there and got sent there by their parents because the parents didnt know what to do with them or were too busy with their careers. I also think that kids got sent there that did need to be there. Some kids didnt have anywhere else to go and were better off there. But I dont know every kids case that was just my personal observation and what I heard about some kids.

13) I think the tuition is something I certainly cant afford, but from seeing other schools tuitions, I think its similar to other facilities so I think they just charge what the market is going for. I know the school for years didnt turn a profit so even though it seems expensive, by the time you pay mortgages, taxes, electric bills, salaries, food bill, doctor and dentist contracts, construction costs, etc etc etc, its not as much of a profit as you would think.

14) I havent lied a great deal, thats just your opinion. And I called liars to those I know in fact have lied about things. I have not, however stooped as low as some who insult me personally and say stupid things about my looks, family,morals, and intelligence. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you that right to act like a 12 yr old and insult me personally. It doesnt show alot of character in my opinion.

Ok now go ahead and attack me and call me names. Im busy with company from out of town am posting this in between helping my son and cleaning the kitchen so you wont go on whining about me being a coward or afraid  :roll:

Of course none of this really has any bearing on me personally, as I know what I experienced, I know I have told the truth, and I know what kind of person I am. None of you insulting me have ever met me, don't know anything about me, nor know what I go through on a day to day basis with my life to even remotely have a clue how intelligent, strong, or moral I really am. That of course, is the reason the names don't hurt me personally. I only bring it up because I am not like Robert and he has made libelous statements when I have not.

[RobertBruce]

Dolores is you. I think its more fitting than Susie. Susie is to pleasant a name for your disposition.

Now lets get to answers.

I asked :

"1. Why do you claim to have never lied yet have been caught doing just that?"

You answered :

"1) The only time I said something that wasn't true was when I was anonymous because I got tired of the personal insults from you and was trying to avoid that scenario by posting anonymous. So then you found out that a few posts were mine. Big deal. It wasn't that big of a secret anyway. "

Well this isnt exactly true. You claimed it wasnt you when in fact it was, and then you claimed you had never told a lie. So yet another lie. You also upon your arival claimed that certian students were never removed from the general population during visitor days and food was never rationed. More lies.

Okay next question.

I asked:

"2. What specific statements do you believe I have twisted around? "

You answered:

"2) There are alot of my statements you have twisted to fit your agenda. You have stated that even though I shared my experiences that they could not have happened the way I told you they did. You stated that since you talked to a few people who didnt know me then I must have been making up being on campus. You stated that when I mentioned things that happened on campus that they couldnt have happened because a few students didnt remember them. You stated that since I didnt know some things about counseling that therefore I didnt know anything. You stated that Bill must have kicked me to the curb for a better wife when I told you we got divorced. How do you know I didnt divorce him? You take anything I say, make it sound like something else, then insult me. You twist alot Robert. Its fairly obvious. "

Not only are you yourself severely misrepresenting my statements or twisting if you'd prefer, but you havent answered the question. You offered examples of me refuting your statements or asking follow questions. I see no evidence of any twisting as you claim. So the question still stands.

Question number three.

I asked:

"3. Why out of hundreds of students does almost no one remember you despite your claims that you were a daily fixture at HLA? "

You answered:

"3) You dont talk to "hundreds" of students. In addition, some of the students you talk to might have been at the school 10 or 11 years ago. They might not remember me if I wasnt their teacher or counseler. That doesnt mean that I wasnt on campus almost every day the 4 years I lived there. They probably just didnt know who I was when they saw me. I also was gone after Feb of 2001 so nobody after that would have known who I was. That doesnt mean I didnt work there or wasnt on campus. It means you are talking to people I didnt know or people who were there before we moved on campus or after I moved away. "

 :lol: Dolores what is the basis for claiming I dont talk to hundreds of students? I realize you and your boss dont want this to be true but it doesnt change the reality of the situation at all. Insist it isnt so all you want, the facts remain the same, I am in contact with a network of hundreds of former students. Accept it. Now as to the rast of your blatherings, I can tell you while I was at HLA I could have told you who each and every staff members was, even if I didnt have regular contact with them. That included the girls who worked in the central office, all of the intake counsolers, everyone. Its not a large campus buildings wise and there really isnt a back entrance. So please explain to me again how the "hundreds" of former students who were there during the time period in which you both lived and worked on campus no one knew you? You claimed you were in the cafeteria on a regular basis and spent many holidays and make believe events with us. Did you not ever talk to any students?

[RobertBruce]

Okay back to it.

I asked:

"4. Do you believe that even though there are multiple people just on here claiming the same things about HLA we are all lying?"

You responded:

"4)I dont think everybody on here is lying. I have noticed however that the same story is passed around among a few students and its not hard to do that when you dont like a school and want it to sound bad. Get a story and pass it around so it looks like the same thing happened more than once. Funny though, Ive heard the same exact story with the same scenario from 2 different students. Too similar to just be the same experience from differnt angles. Too much like the same story. So it lends itself to a validity issue. In addition, some things I have seen posted on here I NEVER heard about while on campus, and trust me, with a radio in the house on at all times (24/7) we heard every time a kid ran away, every time a kid fought with another kid, every time anything happened while we were on campus, I heard it on that radio. So we knew what was going on almost all the time. And some of the things Ive seen on here, I never heard or saw while there so it makes me seriously doubt the validity of some things. (not all, but some). "

So are you still then operating under the belife that if you did not hear about something it did not happen? Also why would you have needed a radio in your house on 24 hours a day? Bill had little to no regular interaction with the students, even when a situation arose. I can possibly understand why he might at least have one but I doubt he would turn it on. Why then further would you have need for one when he was at work? This makes no sense Dolores, its been made clear you were a very unimportant figure that no one talked to. Also why would two people telling a similar story negate the validity of the story? I would think it would reinforce the validity. Didnt you at one point claim to be a Christian? If thats the case then you would undoubtedly believe in the gospel. A similar story told by four seperate people. Do you doubt the validity of that? Kind of makes it hard to be a Christian dont you think? What negative stories about HLA do you believe. So far your reaction has been to either claim a person who tells a negative story is either lying, or you ignore the statement all together. So I'm interested what stories do you believe in?

Next question.

I asked:

"4a. Why do you believe your testimony bears more weight than ours when obviously the opposite is true? "

You answered:

"4a)I dont think my testimony always bears more weight than others. I do think it bears more weight than some. YOu seem to think that it bears absolutely no weight when, in fact, I have just as much of a valid say of my experiences as you."

Must we go through this again? Who do you think has a weaker testimony than you? Further it has been shown time and time again, you had nothing to do with the day to day actions of the students. Nothing. You werent a counselor or a teacher, or an administrator, you werent on restrictions staff, or recreations. You werent night security or maintanince or even a cafeteria worker. You were a lowly clerical staff who worked out of her house. You had no direct involvement with the students lives and thus you cannot testify as to what it was like. Why even try to refute it?

Next Question:

I asked:

"5. How do you know that children were never made to clean dumpsters with toothbrushes? "

You answered:

"5) I know about the toothbrush issue because I never saw a kid in the dumpster and the dumpster belonged to a company and people werent supposed to go in it except to retrieve something that was not supposed to be thrown away. The company was responsible for the cleaning therefore there would have been no reason for students to even go in it, much less with a toothbrush. That would not have been allowed by the head counselor. I also asked around to some people I know and nobody ever remembered anything like that ever happening. "

Okay so again we are left with the philosphy "If Mrs. Gray didnt see it or hear about it. It didn't happen." Also I thought you didnt talk to any of your old HLA pals. Why the sudden reunion?

[RobertBruce]

Again back to it.

I asked:

"6. What do you believe work assingments consisted of?"

You answered:

"6) I know what work assignments consisted of because I saw them being done most of the time. One job was working on flower beds. Another job was watering plants by the front school sign. Another job was raking. Another job was picking up sticks that were lying along the main roads to make it look neater. Some was stacking rocks for rock walls. Sometimes the work assignments were things like working in the kitchen helping or helping maintenance do things. But once again, you made it sound as if they did ALL the maintenance and my father in law was head of maintanence and I know what his job entailed and trust me they did the absolute majority of maintenance and it was only marginally assisted by the students. NO matter what you say about that I know for a fact that maintenance did alot around campus."

 :grin: See here you reinforce the fact that you in reality had no clue what was going on at the school. I mentioned earlier that it is (or was) not a big campus building wise. It is however a very large overall area. Considering that you remained primarily in your own home you would have had a very limited vantage point from which to draw concluscions. I'm interested in your claim that you "saw them most of the time". Why is this? You had nothing better to do then stand around watching children in slave labor? Or perhaps you'd like to claim that you saw this all going on from your house. Fine. Dolores I can tell you right now that in my entire time at HLA (and trust me it was much much longer than the "few weeks" you claimed it was. Another point you have never addressed) I was by your house a total of once. One time. And that one time wasnt even for a work assingment, it was for some pointless ritual or something dumb like that, I wasnt paying attention. Now given the fact that I did many many work assingments, and not a one of them was by your house how is it you were able to wittness most of them? Also given the fact that you are sugar coating what we did in a serious way it would seem to suggest that once again you just dont know what youre talking about.

Next question

I asked:

"7. Do you still despite all the evidence to the contrary believe HLA is still properly liscensed? "

You answered:

"7) I believe that the licensing issue is something that the state needs to clarify, and not the fault of HLA. Alot of things do not need licensing in the state of Georgia. That being said, I am not saying that is necesarrily a good idea. But, with the unique type of school that HLA is, it might be a gray area the state hasnt had a chance to address on how they want to license it or whether or not it needs this type or that. I do think things like schools should be monitored for safety issues, etc. But I think the licensing issue is a confusing one for the state with the school only because of the state's policies, and the dual type of school that HLA is, not because of anything shady. They have alot of different types of groups visiting the school, including govt entities, which to me means they do not need to worry about being inspected if they have so many people touring and visiting. They arent trying to hide anything, and that is what you keep on trying to insinuate. But as far as what they should be licensed exactly as, I dont know. that is a question to ask the state. "

Wait are you going to really say that because HLA has visitors they dont need to be inspected? I mean resturants have lots of visitors as well. Would you visit one though that wasnt inspected by someone? Also how would you know about these govt entities visiting the school? Which ones specifically? Can we get in touch with them? Also since the fact remains I have asked the state, which says they are claiming to strickly be a traditional boarding school. Now if HLA has nothing to hide as you claim, why not be forthright with the state regarding this imaginary half breed you keep mentioning. The reality is they simply dont want to be listed as a theraputic boarding school because doing so would mean much much more oversight and more means for students to air their greivances.

Next question

I asked:

"7a. Do you believe they have been forth right with the state regarding their purpose? Specifically ORS who states HLA claims to be a traditional boarding school, ONLY a traditional boarding school."

You did not respond:

"My answer above covers this question too."

No it really really doesnt. I'll ask again. Why doesnt HLA tell the state they are a mixed purpose school rather than simply claiming to be a traditional school?

Next.

I asked:

" 8. Do you believe you have conducted yourself in a civil and respectful manner?"

You responded:

"......"

Oh look at that you didnt respond at all. Should I take that to mean you do not feel you have behaved in a civil manner or did you just plain forget?

Next question.

I asked:

"9. Given the amount of information that has been posted on here why do you feel you need more information regarding atrocities committed by HLA? "

You responded:

"9) Its not more information I need, its proof that I havent seen. I hear alot of stories, but no proof. You say you have pictures. That would be proof, but depending on what they look like, it would also be hard to prove what the pictures are of exactly. Atrocities, as you state have been committed, would have to be proven, for someone to be held responsible. It seems to me if they had actually happened, people woudl have been fired, things would have changed, etc. It also depends on what one would consider an atrocity. Being made to work during work restrictions is not an atrocity. Sexual abuse is. No dessert at dinner is not an atrocity. Sometimes what a 15 yr old considers horrible is not so horrible when you are an adult. Sometimes being made to clean your room is considered slave labor, to a 15 yr old. Im just saying the perspective on some of this may be a bit skewed on what is truly an atrocity and what isnt."

Dolores have you ever seen a photograph of the Battle of Yorktown? How about Waterloo? How about the crucifixion of Christ? If not how can you believe any of these things ever occured. Whether you like it or not the testimony of participants and wittnesses does have more credibility than you would like to give it. I am surprised that anyone can rationalize things the way you do. Think about it like an objective rational human being for a second. You have hundreds of students, parents, and former staff coming out and stating their experiences. Most of these people dont know each other and have never met, yet here they are recounting the same kind of experience again and again. Yet as far as Dolores Gray is concerned it doesnt matter, because there are no pictures. The pictures I mentioned earlier are of the conditions of the dorms. I will post them whenever you decide to post your sledding pictures. As far as the abuse and atrocities, do you really think we would have been allowed to take pictures of such things? Could we have brought a tape recorder to reals or a video camera to restrictions? No. You forget that while some students did have cameras, we as students owned nothing at HLA. Anything and everything could be confiscated without reason or notice never to be seen again. Further film was devolped on a whim of counselors. Given those facts you tell me again how testimony doesnt matter (irregardless of the many many people you yourself have seen and the hundreds more Ive spoken with) and just plain doesnt count.

[RobertBruce]

Moving on.

I asked:

"10. Do you consider six months a reasonable amount of time to get issues in the dorms fixed?"

You answered:

"10) You stated it look 6 months to get things fixed. I personally know of issues that they were able to get a plumber or other company out in a week so the 6 months seems a bit exagerated. What specifically took 6 months to get done? There wouldnt be a reason to wait 6 months for something that was a legitimate maintenance issue. Im thinking it wasnt actually 6 months or it wasnt actually a legitimate maintenance issue. "

So simply because you dont like the idea of something that makes it so? I listed off the exact same complaints we brought to your husband. Do they seem illegitimate to you? Your husband didnt seem to think they were that big of a deal hence why it took six months of bitching for him to do anything. In the end the only reason he finally did is because one of the kids snuck some of the pictures out to his parents. After what I imagien was a very pleasant conversation in which Bill apologized profusly the issues were taken care of. Now irregardless of the fact that you dont like that it took six months has nothing to do with the fact that it did. Believe it or not it changes nothing about the facts.


Moving on.

I asked:

"11. Do you believe the students should be respondsible for pest/vermin control of the dorms, and the maintainance of said dorms (not clean up maintaince)?"

You responded:

"11) I think a true pest problem would be treated by the school. However, that being said, you stated only dirty homes have mice, thats not true. Mice come into buildings in the winter and when there is a drought. It has nothing to do with dirty homes. Also, black widow spiders come into homes no matter how much you spray. I have personally found 3 of them in my yard here and 1 inside in my home where i live now. As far as what kind of bugs bit George in his bed, I have no clue what that could have been other than mosquitos or fleas. Now the problem with spraying dorms is, it can be highly dangerous to kids who have asthma, it also can be dangerous to small spaces. The issue of whether or not to spray should be considered carefully. And then its only effective on fleas, roaches, and some rodents. Not necesarrily on spiders. As far as maintenance, I think students should keep their areas clean. That includes vacumming, cleaning mirrors, washing sheets, etc. If a maintenance issue that had nothing to do with students came up then maintenance should do it. But I think students should clean their dorms."

Again I didnt ask you about cleaning. Most students stopped complaining about clean up after being there a short time. Reference back to the list I gave you of complaints we brought to your husband. In that list I mentioned such items as not just insect and vermin infestation but leaky roofs, mold, faulty plumbing, and faulty electrical system. Your husbands initial response was to blame us and claim we should take care of the problem. All of them. Im simply curious if you share his opinion?

Next question.

I asked:

"12. Do you believe any student may have been sent there that did not for any reason need to be there or in a similar enviornment?"

You responded:

"12)I do think some kids didnt need to be there and got sent there by their parents because the parents didnt know what to do with them or were too busy with their careers. I also think that kids got sent there that did need to be there. Some kids didnt have anywhere else to go and were better off there. But I dont know every kids case that was just my personal observation and what I heard about some kids. "

How do you know the kids were better off at HLA? Given the fact that by your own addmission you formed a marginal personal relationship with only a small handfull how would you know what was best for the kids who didnt need to be there?

Next question.

I asked:

"12a. If so wouldnt the respondsible thing for HLA to do would be to recommend the student be sent home? "

You responded:

With nothing. I take that to mean you would rather not answer this question.

Next question:

I asked:

"12b. If not how would you know the case of every student? "

You responded:

Again not really although you did say in your earlier post that you didnt know every kids case. For once youre being honest.

The next question:

"13. Do you feel the tuition at HLA is reasonable for the product received? "

You responded:

"13) I think the tuition is something I certainly cant afford, but from seeing other schools tuitions, I think its similar to other facilities so I think they just charge what the market is going for. I know the school for years didnt turn a profit so even though it seems expensive, by the time you pay mortgages, taxes, electric bills, salaries, food bill, doctor and dentist contracts, construction costs, etc etc etc, its not as much of a profit as you would think. "

Okay I would be willing to agree that in the first year or two there would probably not be a profit. However as the student population increased the tuition increased as well. Lets do a little math shall we? There are approximatly what 150 students there now? So 150 x 7,000 = 1,050,000. Thats per month. Now are you claiming that the schools operational cost (something I'd be interested to know how you would be privy to) comes close to more than a million dollars per month? Given the standard of living each student has it would be difficult to make that claim.

Okay last question:

"14. Do you believe that you are entitiled to call us liars yet we are not entitled to do the same to you? Espically considering you have lied a great deal? "

You responded:

"14) I havent lied a great deal, thats just your opinion. And I called liars to those I know in fact have lied about things. I have not, however stooped as low as some who insult me personally and say stupid things about my looks, family,morals, and intelligence. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you that right to act like a 12 yr old and insult me personally. It doesnt show alot of character in my opinion. "

Yes you have, Ive proven it. Again accept it. Tell me specifically what you think others have lied about. Also do you not feel calling someone a liar who is not isn't "stooping low" how about questioning someones motives? Claiming someone was fired or has a grudge? How about trying to expose a former student who has nothing to do with these conversations? How about calling me an asshole? Do you believe that shows character?

Okay Dolores Ive given you alot. Im proud of you for actually not being a weakling for once and stepping up to the plate. So this is what Im going to do, I'll dumb it down for you again and list off some of my specific questions for you.

[RobertBruce]

Okay here we go.

1. Given the fact that multiple examples of your lies have been given do you still want to stick with the claim that you never lied?

2. Can you provide specific examples of me twisting your statements? By twisting we mean taking what you said and turning it into something else, not asking a follow up question or refuting your statement.

3. How do you know I don't talk to hundreds of former students?

4. Given your claims of spending a large amount of time on campus espically in the cafeteria why does no one remember you?

5. Do you believe if you did not see or hear about an event occuring it did not happen?

5a. If not do you employ the above philosphy for HLA?

6. Why would you have been given a radio given the fact that you were not of any importance at the school?

6a. If you had said radio why was Bill never present whenever situations occured irregardless of the time or severity?

6b. Why would you have needed one when he was at work?

7. Why would more than one person telling a similar story bring into question its validity?

7a. Did you not at one point claim to be a Christian?

7b. If so wouldnt the gospel be a perfect example of a similar story being told by more than one person?

8. Specifically what negative stories told on here about HLA do you believe happened?

9. Given the fact that you had only limited involvement with the school and almost zero involvement with the students why would you think your testimony is on the same level as mine or other students as we lived, breathed and suffered through it each and every day. While you had nothing to do with any aspects of our day to day life?

10. Is it your beliefe again that simply because you did not hear or see students cleaning out the dumpsters it never happened?

11. Why would you have seen the majority of the work assingments going on since they very seldom ever occured by your house?

11a. Do you believe you are in any way sugar coating your descriptions of what went on during work assingments?

11b. What went on in PT?

11c. If you did not see the work assingments occur by your house how and why else would you have seen "most of them"?

12. Do you believe that because HLA has visitors there is no reason for state inspectors?

13. Would you visit a resturant that was not visited by state inspectors?

14. Specifically what government entities have visited the school?

14a. How can we get in touch with them?

15. If HLA is not trying to hide anything from the state why not claim to be this hybrid category you keep refering to instead of simply claiming to be a traditional boarding school as they currently do?

16. Do you believe HLA operating under the regulations for theraputic boarding schools or RTC's would somehow damage HLA?

17. Do you believe students should have a non affiliated person to whom they can air their greivances?

18. Do you believe HLA consistently telling parents "Expect your child to lie and manipulate" in any way damages the parent child relationship?

19. Do you believe a counselor making the above statement is in itself a form of manipulation?

20. Do you believe encouraging students to trust each other in a peer group while at the same time encouraging them to rat each other out at every oppurtunity is conducive?

21. Do you believe it is healthy to force children to rat each other out and lock them in a room until they do so is healthy?

22. Do you believe lack of shelter, sleep deprevation, food rationing, forced labor, constant belittlement, bait and punish, censorship, lack of personal relationships with peers, and the threat or action of physical punishment is effective therapy?

23. If so have you done any of the above tactics on your own child for an extended period of time?

24. Do you believe it is morally respondsible for HLA to claim they are a traditional boarding school to the state, a theraputic boarding school to parents and educational consultants, and somehow both when questioned about it?

25. Why doesnt HLA simply tell the state they are a mixed category if it isnt a big deal?

26. (Again) Do you believe you have conducted yourself in a civil and respectful manner?

27. Do you believe that it makes sense to claim that if the atrocities we have claimed occured people would have been fired considering the fact there is a great deal of turnover at the school and people are fired on a regular basis?

27a. Would it further make sense that people would be fired for committing those atrocities if the administration not only knew what was going on but okayed it?

28. Since we know people are regurally fired, and many people from different time periods who do not know each other are making similar claims is it possible you are wrong and we are right?

29. Have you ever seen a photograph of the Battle of Yorktown, Waterloo, or the crucifixion of Christ?

29a. If not how do you know these things occured?

30. Does testimony ever count in your mind?

31. If not why do courts allow it?

32. Why do you ask me to post my pictures of the conditions of the dorms if you arent willing to post your sledding pictures?

33. Are you aware that students essentially owned nothing while at HLA, and anything and everything could be confiscated without notice or reason?

34. Does it make sense that any kind of recording device would be allowed in reals, or restrictions?

35. Do you believe simply because you dont like the idea that it took six months to remedy the situation in the dorm, that it in any way changes the facts of the situation?

36. Do you believe as your husband did that our claims were illegitimate and our fault, thus our respondsibility?

37. Do you have any basis other than your own ignorance and narrow mindedness for your claim that I am somehow exagerating the six month claim?

38. How do you know what was best for the students who did not need to be there?

39. Why did you refuse to answer the question regarding what HLA should have done with such students?

40. Is it respondsible for HLA to keep students who do not belong at HLA? (again)

41. Are you fully aware of the operational cost of HLA?

42. Does it exceed 1,050,000 a month?

43. What specifically have others lied about?

44. Do you require more examples of your own lies?

45. Do you believe your actions towards other people call into question your own character? Namley stating former employees were fired and had a grudge, former students were bitter, calling me an asshole, calling numerous people liars?

Allright Dolores this is quite a bit. See if you cant knock them out, I'll understand if it takes you awhile.

In the mean time have a great new years and let me know your resolutions this year.

 :wave:

[SHH Anon Classics]

I answered your questions. I thought I answered all 14 of them. I was in the middle of 2 different tasks and if I missed one OMG Im sorry! (Geezus). It was just an oversight. Now, on to your multiple long winded posts. I was in bed during these. But, after reading every one, I realize something. Every time I answer a question, you turn it into 5 more. HOw in the hell do you think I can answer every one of these? First off, I dont have time. I have a life. Secondly, I dont know the answer to every one of these. Some the state knows the answer to. Some Bill might know the answer to. Some Dr. B might know the answer to. But I am not going to spend my few hours of free time answering 50 or 60 questions that I have already either answered already or dont know the answer to because they are things very few people would know the answer to. Some are just things that arent really questions but statements. I knew you wouldnt stop at those 14. Now you are going to say I am afraid. I am not. I just have better things to do with my time than post 55 questions on a message board to a stranger.

Try going outside for some fresh air Robert. Its a much more pleasant environment.

This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back.

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On 2005-12-31 03:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I answered your questions. I thought I answered all 14 of them. I was in the middle of 2 different tasks and if I missed one OMG Im sorry! (Geezus). It was just an oversight. Now, on to your multiple long winded posts. I was in bed during these. But, after reading every one, I realize something. Every time I answer a question, you turn it into 5 more. HOw in the hell do you think I can answer every one of these? First off, I dont have time. I have a life. Secondly, I dont know the answer to every one of these. Some the state knows the answer to. Some Bill might know the answer to. Some Dr. B might know the answer to. But I am not going to spend my few hours of free time answering 50 or 60 questions that I have already either answered already or dont know the answer to because they are things very few people would know the answer to. Some are just things that arent really questions but statements. I knew you wouldnt stop at those 14. Now you are going to say I am afraid. I am not. I just have better things to do with my time than post 55 questions on a message board to a stranger.



Try going outside for some fresh air Robert. Its a much more pleasant environment.



This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back. "

PLEASE, DON'T POST AGAIN.  All will be forgiven.  I can't take anymore of your nonsensical drivel.

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SHH wrote:

"This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back."


Thank GOD.  I've had about as much as I can take.  This lady has been posting here for a year or more and has yet to add an iota of intelligent discussion to the board.

[Anonymous]

i think this is one of the best threads to exemplify susie's mo.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0

no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence.

[RobertBruce]

Thank You thank you one and all.

The stupid bitch of the South is finally dead.

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On 2005-12-31 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

i think this is one of the best threads to exemplify susie's mo.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0



no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence."

It's painful just to read it again, but, yes, this thread is a good example of what a complete brain-dead idiot Suzanne Gray is.  If you look carefully, you will also see Aften's signature spelling and grammatical errors, like the one's she made posting as "Aften" and "Realworld."

Aften + Realworld + Suzanne Gray = 2 Morons

[Anonymous]

you're kidding, right?
a temporary hiatus doesn't mean she is 'dead'.
she'll be back because she is compelled to defend a program she has little knowledge of, and obsessed with arguing with you RB.
anyone ever wonder why THEY- those she defends who were more intimately involved (one anyway)- aren't here?

[RobertBruce]

Because she's to stupid to know they are using her.

I disagree with you though, she wont be back. At least not under that name or willing to acknowledge who she is. She knows she cant come on here without those same questions thrown at her again and again and again.

Same thing goes for Aften, Lynn or any other stooge that comes on here.

The rest of you should feel free to add questions to the list. See if they ever have the balls to answer them.

[SHH Anon Classics]

Stupid, huh? Yea, whatever.  First of all nobody ever asked me to come on here. Get that through your thick head Robert. I found this site on my own. I am not being paid by anyone, I am not being asked to say or not say anything, and nobody is telling me what to do. Secondly, Just because I refuse to waste my time answering 45 more questions that I have already answered previously and some that I would have no clue about so I couldnt answer, makes me a coward, or somehow running away? I never said I was going away. I have company in town and better things to do with my time. What I am saying is that I am getting bored with all this back and forth crap between you and I and nothing meaningful is coming out of it. Its stupid bickering and boring as hell to the rest of the readers. All it is is more insults directed towards me from people who don't know a single thing about me. Robert this is not a game. You didnt win, and I didnt lose. Its a friggin message board. So you dont like me, oh well. I will post when I want to, when I have time, and when I think its necessary. I will look at posts whenever I feel like it. Sometimes I will be on here, and sometimes I wont. But I have never been "afraid" of anything on here, and never will be. Please spare the readers your obsessive hatred of me and move on to another topic or another target.