Andrea Yates

[Deborah]

At the onset of the second episode of depression following the birth of her fifth child, and the subsequent death of her father, Yates again was prescribed a psychopharmacological cocktail. This one contained Effexor and, at the end, Remeron.

While information about the Remeron dosage was not made public, Yates' HUSBAND has SAID that his wife was given Effexor at a dosage nearly twice the recommended maximum limit. Just days before the murders, the Effexor was for some reason reduced to just slightly more than the recommended maximum dosage of 225 mg per day and the Remeron was added.

[Anonymous]

Is the office an escape from the kids?

Jan. 19: "Today" show host Katie Couric
talks with authors Ayelet Waldman and
Lisa Belkin about work being more
relaxing than vacations.

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I found it interesting how these folks
where laughing about how bad it is to
be around kids. The solution, drop them
off at school and take seperate vacations
if possible.

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I couldn't help thinking about Andrea Yates.

* 24 hour stay at home mother.
* Homeschooling her kids in isolation
* Absentee, unhelpful father
* Forced pro-creation by cult church beliefs
* Developed Schizophrenia and no changes made

I wondered how these ladies would have reacted
to a profile such as this before she murdered
her kids and now after.

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People who are spoiled in life get all the breaks.

People who are abused catch no breaks.

If it is a mentally ill person they are damned.

Nice society we live in!

I doubt that anyone here at Fornits could have
done what Andrea Yates did for her husband, her
church and her kids in that same situation without
snapping.

Did you notice in the Andrea Yates information so far that she did nothing for herself, it was a
a sacraficially life where she gave 100% to others.

[Anonymous]

Fuck her the bitch KILLED her kids. Give to others my ass, who the fuck are you a member of her fan club? She KILLED her kids, chased them down like animals and KILLED them. For one second put yourself in those kids shoes. What do you think was going on in there little heads when there own mother was KILLING them one by one?  Why should the tax payers pay for that Bitch to be in jail or a hospital? She needs to be put to death just like she did to those poor babies. Put her in a tub and let her go through just what her kids went through. And anyone who feels sorry for her or defends her by saying OH SHES SICK, is just as Sick as her. ::fuckoff::

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-19 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is the office an escape from the kids?



Jan. 19: "Today" show host Katie Couric

talks with authors Ayelet Waldman and

Lisa Belkin about work being more

relaxing than vacations.



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I found it interesting how these folks

where laughing about how bad it is to

be around kids. The solution, drop them

off at school and take seperate vacations

if possible.



---



I couldn't help thinking about Andrea Yates.



* 24 hour stay at home mother.

* Homeschooling her kids in isolation

* Absentee, unhelpful father

* Forced pro-creation by cult church beliefs

* Developed Schizophrenia and no changes made



I wondered how these ladies would have reacted

to a profile such as this before she murdered

her kids and now after.



---



People who are spoiled in life get all the breaks.



People who are abused catch no breaks.



If it is a mentally ill person they are damned.



Nice society we live in!



I doubt that anyone here at Fornits could have

done what Andrea Yates did for her husband, her

church and her kids in that same situation without

snapping.



Did you notice in the Andrea Yates information so far that she did nothing for herself, it was a

a sacraficially life where she gave 100% to others."

She did so much for her kids, WAKE up she KILLED her kids. She did so much for her husband , she KILLED his children. You sound like a bleeding heart and I bet you write the bitch every day. Go take a nap.

[Anonymous]

How about prosecuting husbands who force
their spouses into harmful situations.

He should be at fault, for that.
If he was prosecuted, it may deter others
from similar actions.

She will spend the rest of her life in
prison, or a psychiatric hospital much
like John Hinkley.

I don't think the person posting is asking
to let her off, just stating some facts,
that apparently you two are too afraid to
hear.

Perhaps you like the husbands actions?

You don't mind home school mom's being
consumed with obligations with no breaks
for themselves.

I don't believe in torturing anyone and
then blame them 100% for their psychotic
reactions.

Just think, if her husband had listened
to the doctor, and had become rational
all the kids would be alive today.

Just slamming her, and not him, just
perpetuates the problem.

There are many similar situations going
on all over the country, time bombs, with
no change in site.

[screann]

I think when someone hears that a mother can kill her own kids I think it makes some of us feel hate towards that person. I myself hate the both of them and feel he should be charged as well. All he wanted to do was BREED. He went out and made the money and thats all he thought he had to do. He never thought of being a father, or husband. He didnt give a damm about her or what she was going through all he cared about was makeing more kids. Yes he is a very big factor here. They both are. There should have been a live in nanny,to help her out. Family should have stepped in and took the children if they saw she was haveing troubles and she needed time. BUT the fact of the matter is She was the one who killed her own kids. Yes she was driven to it But she did it.There were alot of other choices she had. She called her husband after the fact, why didnt she call him or someone before she did it? After she killed the frist one how was she able to gone with the rest of them? Why not call for HELP then? Why kill them all?I will NEVER feel sorry for anyone that can do something like this to someone they loved, to someone who loved them back so much. How does one live with themself? I think its too late for her to get any kind of help now. The damage has already been done. :cry:  :cry:  :sad:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-20 07:23:00, screann wrote:

There were alot of other choices she had. She called her husband after the fact, why didnt she call him or someone before she did it? After she killed the frist one how was she able to gone with the rest of them? Why not call for HELP then? Why kill them all?

There are others that probably know this better, but
from watching all those crime shows on TV, I think when someone is psychotic they are possessed to do what the voices are telling them.

If someone comes into the room they get "engaged" and the voices go away.

When no longer engaged the controlling voices come back.

In this case, perhaps, the voices were telling her to kill the kids because they where not going to heaven according to her minister. The kids could not dis-engage her because they were the object of the voices. After they where dead she became dis-engaged and was able to call her husband and police realizing, after she became dis-engaged that she did wrong, very wrong.

People with psychosis should not be ignored ...
a lesson to the next person who wants to manipulate a mental person.

BTW - remember earlier in this thread she went from RN, to Home School mom. She must be pretty smart. The scary thing, to me, is that perhaps this could happen to anyone ...

Regardless, I think the whole point of this thread
is not to bash, or forgive her, but I think it is to have the laws changed in some manner so that the husband could be held accountable also.

Interesting, a thought just popped in my head. If the child people from the county stopped by and the house was a mess, they would have stepped in.

If they stopped by and she was overwhelmed with the kids, breeding, homeschooling, cult type religion, psychosis, on and off medications, NO THERAPY, I don't think they could have done anything.

As I said, there are probably better people to answer some of these thoughts more factually.

The bottom line to me, somewhere there is a dopey
husband doing the same thing, and there is nothing
legally to help the wife, mother, breeder, home school teacher ... nothing.

[Anonymous]

Yates attorney asks judge to set $50,000 bond

HOUSTON -- Andrea Yates' attorney requested Friday that a judge set a $50,000 bond and allow Yates to be housed at a state mental hospital while she awaits her new capital murder trial.

Meanwhile, District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal said Yates, who drowned her five children in the family's bathtub in 2001, should remain in the Harris County Jail and receive a bond of no less than $1 million.

"There is a concern that (Yates) could decompensate within the confines of the Harris County Jail, endangering not only her mental health, but also her constitutional right to be determined legally competent when tried for these offenses," her attorney, George Parnham, wrote in his request for a bond hearing.

Rosenthal said he doesn't understand why Parnham is asking for Yates to receive psychiatric care somewhere other than the Harris County Jail, which is home to a large psychiatric facility.

"The motion is kind of silly because what he has asked to do is take her out of the Harris County Jail and put her someplace that he can't put her without the judge ordering something," Rosenthal said. "And the judge can't order it."

Parnham asks that the court allow Yates to be committed to the Rusk State Hospital less than a mile from where she was imprisoned at the Skyview Prison Unit following her 2002 convictions.

"Bigger isn't always better," Parnham said of his reason for wanting Yates transferred to Rusk. "I want her moved because everybody who is knowledgeable in the psychiatric arena understands the best place for her is Rusk."

Psychiatrists testified during Yates' original trial that she suffered from schizophrenia and postpartum depression, but defense and prosecution expert witnesses disagreed over the severity of her illness and whether it prevented her from knowing drowning her children was wrong.

Parnham said the Harris County Sheriff's Department has agreed to transport Yates between her Houston court appearances and East Texas leading up to the new trial, which is set for March 20.

"As a condition of bond, at no time would Andrea Pia Yates be 'free' within the boundaries of this or any other community," Parnham wrote.

Rosenthal said it is appropriate that Yates receive a bond. He just doesn't think it should as low as Parnham has requested. Rosenthal has suggested $500,000 on each of the two capital murder charges Yates faces.

Earlier this month, Yates, 41, again said she is innocent by reason of insanity of the two capital murder charges.

To prove insanity in Texas, defendants must show they suffered from a severe mental disease or defect and did not know the conduct was wrong.

Jurors rejected Yates' insanity defense during her original trial, finding her guilty of two capital murder charges for the deaths of three of the children drowned in the family bathtub: 7-year-old Noah, 5-year-old John and the youngest, 6-month-old Mary. Evidence was presented about the drowning of the other two children _ Paul, 3, and Luke, 2 _ but Yates was not charged in their deaths.

The First Court of Appeals in Houston overturned Yates' convictions last January because the state's expert witness, forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz, testified about a nonexistent episode on television's "Law and Order" series. Dietz said a show about a woman with postpartum depression who drowned her children aired shortly before Yates killed her five children.

Copyright 2006 Associated Press.

[Anonymous]

:wave: hi screanne

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-21 16:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

" ::bandit::

[Anonymous]

Attorneys in Yates case struggling to reach plea deal
 

(1/24/06 - HOUSTON) - Attorneys in Andrea Yates' capital murder case said Tuesday they are still negotiating a plea deal but have hit dead ends.

If they can't work through those areas, prosecutors and defense attorneys say they'll be ready for a second trial in March.

"Both sides are exhausting every avenue that we can possibly go down to try our best to avoid having to retry this case," Yates' attorney, George Parnham, said outside the Harris County courthouse.

Prosecutor Alan Curry said Yates will have to plead guilty or no contest to drowning her children as part of any plea agreement. Parnham has said his client will not plead guilty in the deaths of three of the five children she drowned in the family's bathtub in 2001.

"The non-negotiables may or may not be sticking points, but they remain non-negotiables," Curry said. "We understand their position and they understand ours."

Lawyers on both sides met privately Tuesday with state District Judge Belinda Hill, who set a Feb. 1 bond hearing for Yates. Her trial is set for March 20.

Parnham has requested Hill set bond at $50,000. Prosecutors want a $1 million bond because of the seriousness of the crime.

"She killed five people," Curry said.

Parnham also would like Yates to be housed at a state mental hospital in East Texas while she awaits trial, instead of in jail.

Curry said prosecutors worry that moving Yates from the Harris County Jail could cause her to become unstable and make it more difficult to get her to court for pretrial hearings. Hill will decide where Yates awaits trial.

In her first trial, Yates pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. Psychiatrists testified that she suffered from schizophrenia and postpartum depression, but expert witnesses disagreed over the severity of her illness and whether it prevented her from knowing that drowning her children was wrong.

Jurors found her guilty of two capital murder charges for the deaths of three of the children: 7-year-old Noah, 5-year-old John and the youngest, 6-month-old Mary. Evidence was presented about the drownings of Paul, 3, and Luke, 2, but Yates was not charged in their deaths.

The First Court of Appeals in Houston overturned Yates' convictions last January because the state's expert witness, forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz, testified about a nonexistent episode on television's "Law & Order" series. Dietz said a show about a woman with postpartum depression who drowned her children aired shortly before Yates killed her five children.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

[Anonymous]

Andrea Yates's attorney may be playing with this woman's life.  The climate has changed a lot since she was tried the first go round. Yates could easily get the death penalty if she is tried again. The "shock" of what she did to these 5 children has worn off; and people seem to be ready to have this woman pay for her crime. It may be wise for her to accept whatever plea the prosecutor is willing to offer.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

http://letters.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet ... _mom/view/

Mommy blame

Well some of their points are valid. There are plenty of examples of women who sublimate their own needs and allow abuse to go on for romantic love, or the appearance of it. I just don't like that these blogging bitches don't realize that there are fathers who do the exact same thing.

As for personal responsiblity, yes, I believe that a person who allows another person to abuse their children deserves jail time too. I fully believe Andrea Yates's husband should be sitting in a jail cell. But then you start getting into murky territory, who is going to care for these kids who lived, when both guardians are in jail? Then there is just the murkiness of how do you prove that a parent allowed abuse to go on. Who will pay to care for all of these kids of abuse? It really sucks that life sucks, but there is really no way around it, unless we start big brothering every home in the US and rarely let parents raise their own children unless they pass parenting tests and force people to care for children not their own.

But perhaps a better question is why do they do this? Why do they blame the mother/victim? I believe the people that do this are the ones who think that there is some sort of life safety policy in the universe. That if you live a pure and good life, nothing bad will ever happen to you.

Imagine how draining it would be to distrust all the people you date or let into your life. Imagine how draining and stressful it would be to always be on guard from criminal attack. Then imagine how much eaiser it is to tell youself that something like this would never happen to you because you would never do something that stupid or immoral. So you get to feel all superior and safe at the same time.

But yeah, I'll consider that these ladies are uppity bitches who buy into that everything wrong in the world is pretty much a womans' fault. Just like a lot of bigots who place the blame of their hardships on minorities backs or feminists who think everything is men's fault. It's very easy to create strawmen to blame complex problems on, it's so much easier than thinking about cause and effect or personal responsiblity and having to realize that there are things outside of anyone's control.

-- No Name Given

[screann]

Shes out of jail at in a mentel hospital asof today.