Andrea Yates

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On 2006-03-31 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-30 21:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


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[Anonymous]

I think Andrea need's a BATH. :em:

[Anonymous]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features ... -headlines

New programs help mothers contend with postpartum depression

David Crary
the Associated Press

April 27, 2006

NEW YORK -- The attention goes to celebrity sufferers, such as Brooke Shields, or to grim cases in which mothers kill their children.

The boldest move has come in New Jersey, where a first-of-its-kind law was signed this month requiring doctors to educate expectant mothers and their families about postpartum depression and to screen new moms for the widespread condition.

"What New Jersey has done is phenomenal -- it's what we want to have in every state in the union," said Cheryl Hill, president of the Washington-based Family Mental Health Institute.

Several other states have launched awareness campaigns, including TV and radio spots in New York. On May 12, advocates for more ambitious federal action will lobby on Capitol Hill, including Edrienne Carpenter of Texas, who was battling postpartum depression when she won the 2004 Mrs. United States beauty pageant.

"I learned the hard way that there is a need for more educational awareness, emotional and physical support, and medical resources to be at the fingertips of women," Carpenter said.

Among criminal cases in which postpartum depression was cited were the 2001 drowning of five children in Texas by Andrea Yates, another Texas case in which a mother severed her baby's arms, and the drowning of three sons by a Norfolk, Va., mother.

Hill, who suffered from depression after her now-grown children were born, said the publicity about such cases has mixed consequences.

"People are starting to understand the disease a little bit more; that's been helpful," she said. "But it hurts women who suffer from postpartum depression. They're afraid of coming forward. They don't want to be labeled as crazy."

About 10 percent to 15 percent of new mothers suffer postpartum depression, which experts say should be treated through therapy, group support or medication.

Copyright © 2006, Orlando Sentine

[Anonymous]

How can pepole still be hung up on this baby killing bitch? I say KILL her, she blew her chance for help. What chance did her kids have at a happy life? Wake the fuck up you Stupid pepole!!!!!!!!!!!!! She KILLED her kids. There is NO one to blame but her. Not her husband, not her family, and not her doctors. They did not put those children in the tub, they didnt chase the kids through the house only to drag em to there death. Anybody that feels the least bit sorry for this crazy, selfish, unloving uncaring monster is no better than her, and maybe you should seek Help before you end up in her shoes.

[Anonymous]

OK, OJ!

[Carmel]

In my view, mental illness does not make what she did any more acceptable, or any less horrific.  

If she is that messed up in her mind, she doesnt need treatment....she needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

You want to waste some compassion, try wasting it on her children, or how about all the mothers in the world who must watch their children die in front of their eyes because they are TRULY helpless?  

This woman is a biological MISTAKE, and the sooner we start accepting THAT, the better.

[Anonymous]

Family Mental Health Institute
1050 17th Street, NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036

Contact: Cheryl Hall
Phone:    202-496-4977

http://www.ppdhope.com
     
Mission Statement

To establish routine screening for maternal depression as a national standard of care; and provide peer-to-peer social support services to women suffering from postpartum depression.

Description

The Family Mental Health Institute is a 501 (c) (3) not-for-profit organization in the District of Columbia that has four priority areas to reduce the incidence of maternal depression: 1)Screening programs for early PPD detection; 2) Public education and awareness; 3) Peer support groups for women and their families; 4) Research and advocacy activities on behalf of women with PPD and related mood disorders.


Description

The Family Mental Health Institute (FMHI) is looking for volunteers to return incoming calls to the toll free crisis line for women and their families looking for help in coping with Postpartum Depression (PPD). Women will receive training in empathic listening and the return calls are made from their own homes, phone charges to be paid by FMHI.
Skills

Women must have experienced PPD themselves with at least a two year recovery before volunteering. Must speak clearly to women of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds. Must take clear notes and submit forms to FMHI.

[Anonymous]

When should she have been executed?


When she was Valedictorian in her high school class?

When she was an RN at Houston Hospital?

When she married Rusty Yates?

When she started worshipping that evangelist?

When she gave birth to any one of her children?

When she received was isolated at home?

When she was denied assistance with kids by Rusty?

When she was home schooling the kids, alone?

When she got psychotic?

When she saw a psychiatrist?

When she took psychotropic medications?

When she went to the psychiatric hospital?

When she first told Rusty of her command voices to  
         kill her kids to avoid them from going to
         hell, according to the ministry that her
         husband got her involved in.

When she reported the death commands the second
         time?

When she had them the third, fourth or fifth time.

When she killed her kids?

When she became dis-engaged from the command
         voices, because the deed was done. This
         BTW happens, and is documented in many,  
         many command voice cases.

When she went to the hospital and stabilized by
         agreeing to the medication regimin  
         prescribed by her doctor. BTW, when Rusty
         was not there to influence her
         treatments.

When she asked the court to kill her?

When she told Rusty to have a nice life, hers w
         wasn't worth living?

Or when you decided that mental illness is bullshit?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-03 12:20:00, Carmel wrote:

"In my view, mental illness does not make what she did any more acceptable, or any less horrific.  



If she is that messed up in her mind, she doesnt need treatment....she needs to be taken out of the gene pool.



You want to waste some compassion, try wasting it on her children, or how about all the mothers in the world who must watch their children die in front of their eyes because they are TRULY helpless?  



This woman is a biological MISTAKE, and the sooner we start accepting THAT, the better."

:nworthy:  :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-04 17:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"When should she have been executed?





When she was Valedictorian in her high school class?



When she was an RN at Houston Hospital?



When she married Rusty Yates?



When she started worshipping that evangelist?



When she gave birth to any one of her children?



When she received was isolated at home?



When she was denied assistance with kids by Rusty?



When she was home schooling the kids, alone?



When she got psychotic?



When she saw a psychiatrist?



When she took psychotropic medications?



When she went to the psychiatric hospital?



When she first told Rusty of her command voices to  

         kill her kids to avoid them from going to

         hell, according to the ministry that her

         husband got her involved in.



When she reported the death commands the second

         time?



When she had them the third, fourth or fifth time.



When she killed her kids?



When she became dis-engaged from the command

         voices, because the deed was done. This

         BTW happens, and is documented in many,  

         many command voice cases.



When she went to the hospital and stabilized by

         agreeing to the medication regimin  

         prescribed by her doctor. BTW, when Rusty

         was not there to influence her

         treatments.



When she asked the court to kill her?



When she told Rusty to have a nice life, hers w

         wasn't worth living?



Or when you decided that mental illness is bullshit?"

Another Andrea Yates bleeling heart fan. Take a hike sicko.  ::fuckoff::

[Anonymous]

This gose to all the Andrea Yates fans. Call up one of your friends, have em come over. Then fill your tub up with water. Next ask your friend to hold your head under the water and not let you up for 5 mins. Maybe then you people will feel the panic and the fear those kids felt, when MOMMY was killing them. :flame:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-05-09 21:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This gose to all the Andrea Yates fans. Call up one of your friends, have em come over. Then fill your tub up with water. Next ask your friend to hold your head under the water and not let you up for 5 mins. Maybe then you people will feel the panic and the fear those kids felt, when MOMMY was killing them. :flame: "

No one is saying that it wasn't a horrible, tragic event.  No one is saying that the kids didn't suffer beyond imagination.  What a lot of people ARE saying is that there seemed to be very clear signs that something was very, very wrong in that household.   Andrea Yates should never be released into society but there is a difference between someone like her and Diane Downs (google her if you don't know her).

[Carmel]

Who are you to discern whether or not there were "signs" in Yates household that foretold of something being very very wrong? You think because you have read a list of signs and symptoms that you can make that judgement?  Its like the list of druggie type behaviours given to our parents, suddenly everyone is a friggin expert.

Id like for you to elborate on what the "difference" between the two are.  One drove her kids to the hospital and one just made a phone call?  One showed remorse, the other didnt?  Okay, these are differences, but completely inconsequential ones.  Like saying one or the other ate chocolate cake before offing her children as opposed to vanilla.

What "they" ARE saying, my friend, has no bearing on what these women ARE. There is no excuse, period.  Why do people feel the need to do everything possible to keep from just calling it what it is?  Do you find it fascinating?  Like watching painful "reality" TV of people tearing each other to shreds? So long as its not in YOUR backyard, I bet.  

Have you ever lost a child?  Have you ever lost anyone?  Well I have, both.  And I am here to tell you that you dont have the first clue in your dalliance into the psychology of what it would take to kill your own child. You dont know what it takes to even live through losing one, much less the crushing insanity of being the one responsible.  Its a whole hell of alot more than some clinical depression and overwhelming domestic frustration.  You arent earning any universal brownie points for trying to paint a black fence pink.



[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2006-05-10 10:44 ]

[Anonymous]

Even Andrea Yates is not asking
to go free. She wants to be in
a psychiatric hospital forensics
facility. It is still jail.

There are two troubling issues here:

1) Her husband was culpable, but there
was no law to charge him on his actions
to trigger his wife's murderous acts to
satisfy the pastor/teachers sermons.

There is still no law. Rusty Yates and
other husbands can still put their wives
through horrendous home lives, with no
culpability.

2) There are 180 more children that will
be killed by their moms this year, next
year and every year thereafter, on average.

There are no "home school" stress hotlines
being set up.

There are no "mommy time out" call centers
being established.

Frankly, there is nothing being learned from
the Andrea Yates debacle.

All the energy and public outcry is to see
her put to death. Big stupid deal.

Her future is sealed, jail, or a jail hospital.

The future for spousally abused women has not
been helped, at all, by the Andrea Yates case.

The next 180 kids will die, then the next.

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The only hopeful thing that I have seen posted
here is the Family Mental Health Association in Washington DC, that is a start up, and they
are asking for volunteers to call back messages
left on their phone service for post partum depression.

That is it!

Did anyone with ppd experience call to volunteer?

Did anyone on this thread forward the message to moms who have had ppd?

Or is everyone to busy tooting their horns that Andrea Yates needs to be fried. The ultimate answer for the future of our youth. Fry Andrea and all will be well on earth, amen.

[Carmel]

There are always going to be moms who do this, and it isnt because they never got the memo for the mommy hotline.  

What about the rest of us who have to actually go through life taking responsibility for ourselves and our children?  

Why do human beings act so damned entiltled?

What there is to learn about this woman is an ugly reality that people like you prefer to cover up with bullshit band-aids about "time-out".

And your crap about the husband being culpable is typical.  There are millions of crappy men on this planet beating the shit out of their families and you dont see the mothers offing their kids.  

Youre driven to "understand" this behaviour and "learn" from it, because you have no experience of your own.  The reality is much uglier than you can concieve.

Should we be setting up special studies and hotlines for radical terrorists?  Maybe they wouldnt have blown themselves and 50 others up if there had just been a volunteer hotline to give them "time-out".  You think that this sort of thing is avoidable by calling up some bored tennis wife volunteer?

Its almost laughable.

I want the world to be a better place, I agonize over the suffering we all face...BUT THAT IS REALITY...and setting up hotlines and blaming the damn MAN isnt goin to solve it.  If you knew anything about mental illness or grief youd know that blame is a bottomless pit of despair. Blame the hubby, blame the meds, blame society, blame PPD, but by no means EXPECT ANYONE to just take responsibility for their actions or their choices. Tsk! Tsk!

I still would like to know why you see a difference in the two women you mentioned.

If I killed my child or anyone else, I would expect to be punished, not sent of to a glass observation bubble with three hots and a cot, and the top researchers in the field that cost the griveing families of my victims hundreds of thousands a year in tax-dollars.