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« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2006, 10:02:00 PM »
Tuesday, Mar. 19, 2002
Interview: Dr. Park Dietz

From his offices in California, Dr. Park Dietz talked at length about the conviction of Andrea Yates, the notion of excusable homicides and the need for revised laws dealing with distinctions between the mentally ill and the legally insane, particularly among mothers who harm their children.

In the Yates case, Dietz told TIME, Andrea's thought process still allowed her to appreciate the difference between right and wrong. Her mind recognized murder as wrong or she would not have sought the death penalty to get rid of her inner demons and protect her children from falling into his grasp because she had not properly raised them. By wanting to dispose of Satan, she had to believe Satan had evil ideas. Therefore, she still comprehended evil to be wrong. She also "knew that society and God would condemn her actions," Dietz said.

His testimony was viewed as crucial in prosecutors winning a conviction. On the witness stand, an analysis of his testimony shows, Dietz had emphasized facts and assessments that favored prosecutors. He also minimized the findings of doctors who earlier treated Andrea and noted as far back as 1999 that she suffered from delusions of being a bad mother, voices of unknown origin telling her "get a knife" and visions of violent acts. Instead, Dietz told jurors that "there was no hallucination prior to the crime" and whatever she suffered was nothing more than "obsessional intrusive thoughts."

Despite the emphasis prosecutors later put on his determination that Andrea did not become severely psychotic until the day after the drownings, Dietz told TIME he never denied or doubted that Andrea was indeed sick on June 20, the day of the killings. Some of her psychotic symptoms ? such as believing that cameras were planted in her ceiling and TV characters were sending messages to her ? were indisputable as much as two weeks prior to the deaths, he said.

He agreed with the jury's guilty verdict based on the current insanity law in Texas. Although he expects to be paid about $50,000 for time spent researching the Yates case and testifying on behalf of prosecutors trying to prove she deserved to be convicted under the state's insanity law, Dietz says the law, which has similar variations in two dozen states, allows a psychotic person's own disordered thoughts to be used against them.

"Even I disagree with this law for this case," said Dietz. "I believe we should recognize our sick parents in several ways and handle them differently both during hospitalization and when they commit crimes." For example, British doctors will keep depressed mothers and their newborns together in hospitals to monitor them over a period of weeks or months.

Already, insanity laws differ from state to state, some allowing jurors to find defendants "guilty but mentally ill" or "guilty but insane," which usually requires them to receive treatment for their mental illness in a state hospital, then transfer to a prison to serve out their sentence. Legislators surely would have difficulty trying to adopt laws that address the special circumstances of postpartum cases.

The country needs "someone like Mrs. Yates to be held responsible for an action that she knew was wrong, but be treated and confined until infertile, whether through natural biological effects or electively," Dietz said. "What's wrong with that analysis in the eyes of American legal scholars is that it would pressure women convicted of such crimes to have themselves sterilized in order to gain freedom. And that would not be true consent."

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« Reply #121 on: March 01, 2006, 01:45:00 AM »
Feb. 28, 2006, 1:37PM

Yates rejects lesser charge in drownings
Deal spurned, her attorneys say, due to concerns for her safety
By PEGGY O'HARE
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Andrea Yates has rejected a plea agreement that would get her a 35-year prison sentence for drowning her children, but prosecutors say the offer will stay on the table until March 10.
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The proposal calls for Yates, who is scheduled for trial March 20 on a capital murder charge, to plead guilty or no contest to a lesser charge of murder.

Her attorneys said Monday that they declined the offer, however, because of concerns about Yates' safety if she were among a prison's general population.

Details of the offer surfaced Monday as state District Judge Belinda Hill considered defense attorneys' contention that Yates should be spared another trial because of prosecutorial misconduct in her first trial.

After two days of testimony, Hill rejected the argument that a second trial would amount to double jeopardy. She also concluded that prosecutors did not act inappropriately in the first trial, in 2002, when their expert witness mistakenly testified that a TV program about a similar case had aired shortly before Yates killed her five children.

Hill is expected to decide today whether the defense's misconduct claims were frivolous. If she decides they were, the trial could begin on schedule, even if Yates appeals Hill's denial of her double-jeopardy claims.

If Hill does not declare the claims frivolous, Yates' new trial could be delayed for at least a year, prosecutors said.

After Monday's hearing, Yates grabbed her attorney, George Parnham, hugged him and kissed him on the cheek. She appeared in good spirits throughout the day, visiting briefly with her mother and holding hands with Parnham's wife, Mary Moore, who works as his paralegal.

Yates, 41, a former nurse, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. She called police to her Clear Lake-area home on June 20, 2001, and told them she had drowned her four sons and one daughter in the bathtub. They ranged in age from 6 months to 7 years.

The 1st Texas Court of Appeals overturned her capital murder conviction last year, ruling that the state expert's mistaken testimony may have influenced the jury. Her life sentence was set aside and she has been released on $200,000 bail so she can stay at the Rusk State Hospital in East Texas until the new trial begins.

Prosecutors said the 35-year plea offer will remain open until March 10. Parnham said he is not quarreling with the 35-year offer, but wants Yates in a state mental health hospital instead of a prison.

"A woman with this notoriety, with this type of offense charged, would be at risk ... I have grave, grave concerns," Parnham said.

Monitoring mental health
Neither prosecutors nor the court can specify where Yates would serve her sentence if she accepts a plea agreement. Prison officials would make that decision, said prosecutor Kaylynn Williford.

Yates would be monitored by prison psychiatrists and would be moved to Skyview, a psychiatric unit, only if the doctors deemed it necessary, said prosecutor Joe Owmby.

"Inmates in the prison system go in and out of Skyview as their mental condition and treatment demands," he said.

He said prosecutors considered Yates' mental illness before offering the agreement.

"The only mitigating circumstance in this case is, we know she did suffer from a mental illness," Owmby said. "That did not necessarily excuse her conduct or criminal responsibility, but we did take that into account."

The two days of testimony focused heavily on nationally renowned forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz's claims in the first trial that, days before Yates drowned her children, the TV drama Law & Order aired a program about a woman committing a similar act.

Dietz told jurors that the woman depicted in the TV program suffered from postpartum depression and was found not guilty by reason of insanity. After Yates was convicted, but before her sentence was decided, jurors were told that no such episode existed.

An honest mistake
Yates' attorneys argued that prosecutors knew they were using false evidence from Dietz. They cited Tomball-area resident Shauna Thornton's e-mail to the District Attorney's Office one week after the Yates children died, alerting them to a re-run of L.A. Law that featured a homicidal mother's "postpartum psychosis" defense. But prosecutors said Dietz made an honest mistake and immediately alerted them when he realized his error.

Dietz's misperception about the nonexistent Law & Order program did not influence his decision that Yates was sane when she drowned her children, Williford said Monday. She and Owmby said they have done nothing wrong.

"We have both worked very hard on this case, to make sure Mrs. Yates had a fair trial and that Noah, John, Paul, Luke and Mary became known to the public ? that the public would know how these children suffered at the hands of their mother," Williford said outside the courthouse.

Appeal decision
Parnham said he expects to announce today whether he will appeal Hill's denial of his double jeopardy claim.

Hill granted permission Monday for another mental health expert chosen by prosecutors to evaluate Yates.

Parnham opposed subjecting Yates to another such interview because nearly five years have passed since she drowned her children and because of the effects such questioning might have on her mental state.

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« Reply #122 on: March 01, 2006, 08:46:00 AM »
A New Trial?


Yates could still be tried in the deaths of two of her children, since she was only convicted in the deaths of three. However, a new trial, whether it be for the same deaths again or for those for which she has not yet been tried, may be a crap shoot for either side, and an expensive one at that. The defense has not only learned what did not work three years ago, but they also have access to another high-profile Texas case in which a mother was acquitted by reason of insanity for killing her children at the instigation of supernatural commands.

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Deanna Laney, also evaluated by Park Dietz, stoned her three sons in 2003, two of whom died, because she believed God wanted her to. Dietz found her to be unaware of what she was doing, although she had nowhere near the history of mental illness that Yates had. "She struggled over whether to obey God or to selfishly keep her children," Dietz had testified. His impression was that she had felt she had no choice. Experts scratched their heads over why God's command made a woman insane but the Devil's command did not - especially after Dietz gave an interview to a Virginia newspaper in which he stated that Yates was indeed mentally ill.


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While Yates did commit a horrendous crime when she drowned all five of her children, the nation has heard a great deal more since then about both post-partum psychosis and about the problems with the insanity defense. A new jury made up of people possibly exposed to all this information could be quite a different story.

Although Harris County prosecutors say they will appeal the court's decision, legal speculation indicates, according to Newsweek, that it's likely to be settled with Yates reassigned to a private mental institution rather than a prison. There she can be properly evaluated. Her husband, Rusty, filed for divorce in July 2004, but hopes the criminal charges will be dropped. Those who currently care for Yates indicate that she is still considered mentally unstable, and during the fall of 2004, when she was overcome with the horror of what she had done, she had tried to kill herself by refusing to eat, and was hospitalized. A settlement, rather than a trial, may well be in her best interests.

Yet the legal issue remains. While friends and associates of Dietz insist on his integrity and claim that he would not knowingly make a misstatement, one can only wonder why an expert who did not research the information beforehand would testify to it from vague recall. Or why the DA's office did not bother to check its accuracy. Yates's life hung in the balance. She might well have been given the death penalty. Fortunately her attorney ensured that the system worked appropriately.
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« Reply #125 on: March 01, 2006, 08:59:00 AM »
Katherine Ramsland

Katherine Ramsland, Ph.D. has published twenty-five books.  She holds graduate degrees in forensic psychology, clinical psychology, and philosophy.  Currently she teaches forensic psychology at DeSales University in Pennsylvania.  After publishing two books in psychology, Engaging the Immediate and The Art of Learning, she wrote Prism of the Night: A Biography of Anne Rice. At that time, she had a cover story in Psychology Today on our culture's fascination with vampires. Then she wrote guidebooks to Anne Rice's fictional worlds: The Vampire Companion: The Official Guide to Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, The Witches' Companion: The Official Guide to Anne Rice's Lives of the Mayfair Witches, The Roquelaure Reader: A Companion to Anne Rice's Erotica, and The Anne Rice Reader. Her next book was Dean Koontz: A Writer's Biography, and then she ventured into journalism with a two-year investigation of the vampire subculture, to write Piercing the Darkness: Undercover with Vampires in America Today.  Following that was Ghost, Cemetery Stories, and The Science of Vampires.  She has also written for The New York Times Book Review, The Writer, The Newark Star Ledger, Publishers Weekly, and The Trenton Times.

        Her background in forensic studies positioned her to assist former FBI profiler John Douglas on his book, The Cases that Haunt Us, and to co-write a book with former FBI profiler, Gregg McCrary, The Unknown Darkness.  She has also written The Forensic Science of CSI, The Criminal Mind: A Writer's Guide to Forensic Psychology, The Science of Cold Case Files, and Inside the Minds of Mass Murderers and she pens editorials on breaking forensic cases for The Philadelphia Inquirer.  Recently, she co-wrote A Voice for the Dead with James E. Starrs on his exhumation projects, and became part of the team. She also contributes regularly to Court TV's Crime Library and has written nearly three hundred articles about serial killers, forensic psychology, and forensic science.  Her latest book is The Human Predator: A Historical Chronicle of Serial Murder and Forensic Investigation.

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« Reply #126 on: March 01, 2006, 10:53:00 PM »
March 1, 2006

Judge Clears Way for Yates' Retrial

By PAM EASTON Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

HOUSTON ? A judge Wednesday cleared the way for the second trial of Andrea Yates on murder charges in the 2001 drowning of her children in the family bathtub.

State District Judge Belinda Hill ruled that a defense motion accusing prosecutors of misconduct during the first trial was frivolous. The retrial is set to begin March 20.

Yates, 41, was convicted of capital murder in 2002, but the conviction was overturned because a forensic psychiatrist gave false testimony when he said an episode of television's "Law & Order" about a woman with postpartum depression drowning her children was aired shortly before the five Yates children died; the episode didn't exist.

Yates' attorney Wendell Odom said he would appeal Hill's ruling.

"We wouldn't have made this motion if we didn't think it was a legitimate motion that had some real issues that need to be heard," Odom said. "We think the court of appeals is going to listen to it and give us a fair shake and at least hear our issues."

Another Yates' attorney, George Parnham, on Monday rejected a plea offer from prosecutors that would have allowed her to plead guilty or no contest to a lesser charge of murder and serve 35 years in prison. The offer will remain on the table until March 10, prosecutors said.

Yates has pleaded innocent by reason of insanity, as she did the first time around.

During her first trial, psychiatrists testified Yates suffered from schizophrenia and postpartum depression, but expert witnesses disagreed over the severity of her illness and whether it prevented her from knowing that drowning her children was wrong.

Hill ruled earlier that Yates' attorney failed to prove any prosecutorial misconduct in the first trial. The defense had sought to prove misconduct and argue it would mean double jeopardy for Yates.

The Wednesday ruling was focused on whether a retrial should proceed as scheduled in the event Parnham appealed the rejection of his double jeopardy claim.
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« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2006, 08:54:00 PM »
March 21, 2006

TIME TO TALK

With second trial of Andrea Yates delayed, prosecution and defense should negotiate humane outcome

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

AFTER the first trial of Clear Lake housewife Andrea Yates ended in conviction, at least two facts were incontrovertible: Yates was mentally ill when she drowned her five children in a bathtub, and she remains a threat to herself and the outside community because of that illness.

An appellate court threw out the jury's verdict in the killings of three of the children because a key prosecution witness, psychiatrist Park Dietz, gave erroneous testimony. State District Judge Belinda Hill delayed until June the start of a retrial because two key defense witnesses were not available.

Now is the time for Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal and Yates' defense attorney, George Parnham, to negotiate a sensible plea bargain that will provide justice for the slain Yates children while providing Andrea Yates the treatment she needs for her psychosis. The community would be spared the cost and court time of another legal circus, and the elements for an agreement are within reach.

The defense refuses to accept a prosecution offer of a 35-year sentence in state prison because there is no guarantee that Yates would receive long-term care for her illness in prison. According to Parnham, Texas prison officials won't promise that Yates would remain in a mental health unit such as Skyview. Parnham contends she will be a danger to herself and at risk from prisoners in the general prison population. Parnham cites death threats Yates has received from inmates because of her status as a child killer.

The defense would not contest a murder charge if Yates were allowed to remain at Rusk State Hospital or another high security mental facility, perhaps in Houston, as part of a plea bargain. If there were any likelihood Yates might be released, prosecutors would always have the option of trying the defendant in the deaths of the other two children, for which there is no statute of limitations.

The district attorney's position that the public must have the opportunity to pass judgment on a mother who killed her five children is understandable, but his insistence that she serve her time in a penal facility that cannot guarantee her effective mental health treatment is not.

The fact is that Andrea Pia Yates killed her children while in a delusional state. All the evidence indicates she was psychotic before and after the drownings. For some unknown reason, the prosecution insists that Yates became legally sane at the time of her most shockingly insane behavior.

The last Legislature should have rewritten the law so that Yates and those like her could be found "guilty but insane" and given appropriate treatment.

Yates' defense team is only seeking a humane solution that puts Yates in a secure and safe mental institution for life. There are those who would rather see this tormented woman suffer ? and perhaps die ? in a Texas prison. What they are seeking is not enlightened justice.
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« Reply #128 on: March 25, 2006, 07:40:00 AM »
Posted on Tue, Mar. 21, 2006
Series of failures doomed baby whose mother cut off her arms
BY JENNIFER EMILY AND KIM HORNER
The Dallas Morning News

DALLAS - Plano, Texas, police Officer Mike Letzelter was there at the beginning and the end of 10-month-old Maggie Schlosser's life.

Maggie was 6 days old the first time he entered her world. He was called to her home after her mother ran down the street screaming about demons, with Maggie's 5-year-old sister pedaling furiously after her on a bicycle. Maggie had been left alone in the bedroom of the family's West Plano apartment.

The next time Letzelter saw the family, Maggie lay in a crib, blood-soaked and missing her arms. Maggie's mother, Dena Schlosser, would later admit she cut off Maggie's arms. But now, Schlosser sat in a chair, covered in blood, as Letzelter and other responding officers ran frantically from room to room, searching for other injured children. Maggie's two older sisters were safe at school.

During Schlosser's capital murder trial, Letzelter, a former Marine, squirmed and looked ill on the witness stand as he told jurors that Maggie's death nearly made him abandon his career. She haunts him, and he's troubled that doctors, caseworkers, police, the system - anyone - could not save her.

The trial was designed to determine guilt or innocence, sanity or insanity, prison or mental institution. But over and over during the two-week trial, prosecutors, defense attorneys, jurors and witnesses kept coming back to a different question: Why couldn't Maggie have been saved?

"The system failed Dena Schlosser. (Husband) John Schlosser failed Dena Schlosser," prosecutor Bill Dobiyanski said in front of the jury box. "CPS failed. LifePath failed. ... The treating doctors failed."

Schlosser did not plummet into a psychotic break the day she killed her daughter. She slipped and skidded in and out of reality for the 10 short months of Maggie's life.

Psychiatrists agreed that the support systems available to Schlosser did not do enough to treat her postpartum psychosis and depression. Her breakdown began after she gave birth - without pain medication - in the family's Plano apartment. For several months, she experienced religious delusions and hallucinations, which continued as she grabbed the largest knife in the kitchen and severed Maggie's arms at the shoulders.

She said she believed it was the command of God.

The Schlossers lived in an apartment with their three children: baby Maggie and two other daughters, now ages 7 and 10.

The couple lost their home in Fort Worth when John Schlosser lost his job as a computer specialist. He worked intermittently as a consultant during Maggie's life, but the family struggled financially.

After Maggie was born, Dena Schlosser gave up her job at a local child-care center to stay home with the kids.

John Schlosser isolated his wife, her family members said.

He ruled his home in the manner prescribed by their minister, Doyle Davidson, a self-appointed prophet and apostle at Water of Life Church in Plano. Dena Schlosser did not have many friends, and her mother, Connie Macaulay, lives in Canada and has advanced Parkinson's disease.

John Schlosser kept family members in the dark once his wife's episodes began. He told no one that his wife had cut her wrist the day after Maggie was born. Once authorities were involved, he downplayed the severity of her illness and convinced doctors she was better off at home.

He never told anyone that the family's minister preached that mental illness was caused by demons and that medicine wasn't needed if you had faith.

Dena Schlosser's best friend, a fellow church member, often asked John Schlosser whether his wife was taking her medication. He told her not to pressure him.

Restless just days before Maggie's death in November 2004, Dena Schlosser took Maggie out for a walk in the middle of the night. She packed the baby into her stroller and walked the nearby streets.

Hearing the whir of a small engine, Dena Schlosser concluded that the sound was a chainsaw and that someone must be building an ark. She walked up and down the street in search of the woodcutter. God wanted him to have Maggie, she thought. She searched and never found.

She returned home downtrodden and told her husband what happened. God brought you home, he told her.

Forensic psychiatrist William H. Reid testified that John Schlosser and the church prevented Dena Schlosser from getting proper health care "when she needed it and when she wanted it."

Through his attorney, Schlosser denied keeping his wife from care but said that, in retrospect, he should have done things differently.

George Elwell, president of the Collin County chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, said the Schlossers appeared to have been brainwashed by the church.

"I think he's the one who should be on trial - him (John Schlosser) and the church. Not her," Elwell said.

John Dornheim, a community liaison for Green Oaks Hospital, said more awareness of mental illness is needed so friends and family members can understand the warning signs.

"She made cries for help, but nobody interpreted them correctly," he said. "Most people in a severe case like that are giving out signs. It's a matter of can you interpret them or not. It sounds like her circle of friends would not."

Schlosser was first diagnosed as having postpartum psychosis after she ran away from her home just after Maggie's birth.

She was taken to Medical Center of Plano, and Child Protective Services was called because she left Maggie alone.

CPS said they considered the case high risk. Schlosser was to have no unsupervised contact with her children. Her mother-in-law came to stay with the family for a month. Then CPS decided that Schlosser could again be alone with her children, but caseworkers continued to check in every weekday.

By the time Maggie was two months old, the agency was visiting twice a week.

Neither Schlosser nor her husband told CPS about another psychotic break when Maggie was four months old. This time,

Schlosser wandered in to the nearby Medical Center in the middle of the night and was found on a bathroom floor. Yet CPS closed its case three months later after a psychiatrist deemed that Schlosser's mental health had improved. There was no further interaction with the agency until the day Maggie died.

Throughout the time CPS was involved, caseworkers wanted Schlosser to attend individual counseling, but she and her husband refused. The agency could have asked a court to order counseling, but it did not. The agency offers counseling to most clients, said spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales. She declined to discuss the Schlosser case because of privacy laws.

The clinical program director for Dallas' Child Abuse Prevention Center said CPS has a difficult job in determining whether children are at risk, especially given high turnover and understaffing at the agency.

"When you're looking at risk, you're always doing an educated guess," said Carol Duncan, who worked for CPS for 25 years.

At the same time that CPS was brought in, Schlosser was referred to LifePath Systems, the area's public mental-health system for low-income residents. The family did not have medical insurance.

Doctors sent Schlosser to Green Oaks Hospital in Dallas after her initial diagnosis at Medical Center of Plano just days after Maggie's birth. There, she stayed in the psychiatric hospital's 23-hour crisis stabilization unit, where patients are monitored to determine whether they can be released for outpatient treatment.

After her discharge, Schlosser was sent for follow-up treatment through LifePath.

From February to June 2004, Schlosser met with LifePath psychiatrist Nasir Zaki for 15 minutes a month after an initial 45-minute meeting. Zaki testified that LifePath's financial limitations prohibit longer or more frequent sessions.

"I think all of our doctors would like to have time to see clients on a more regular basis," said Randy Routon, LifePath's chief executive officer.

"We cannot do nearly as much following up as we'd like to." He also said few patients in the system receive psychotherapy because of tight funding.

There is no standard length for appointments, and the treating psychiatrist determines the time, said Tom Warburton, spokesman for ValueOptions, the managed-care company that the state contracts with to run its mental-health program.

Zaki stopped prescribing the antipsychotic drug Haldol each time Schlosser told him she did not want to take it. He said he did not pressure her to continue the medication because he could not force her to take it.

In May, the psychiatrist wrote a letter to CPS saying Schlosser was doing better. Later that month, she was found on the bathroom floor at the Plano hospital.

Doctors again diagnosed her as psychotic. But instead of going to Green Oaks, John Schlosser talked doctors into releasing her into Zaki's care. After that incident, Zaki started Schlosser on Haldol again. He said he did not know the full details of the bathroom episode, but he did not contact CPS.

Schlosser stopped going to LifePath after a July appointment in which she was incorrectly told that she would have to start paying $50 per appointment. Schlosser was never called to correct the error, a LifePath Systems employee testified.

Routon said he could not speak about Schlosser's case, citing privacy reasons. But he said some patients might be required to pay $50 for appointments if they have been deemed ineligible for treatment. Other patients may owe smaller co-payments on a sliding scale, depending on their income.

Elwell, president of the Collin County chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill, says more funding for mental health treatment might have saved Maggie's life.

He said patients in the public mental health system are released from hospitals too soon and without adequate follow-up care.

LifePath's Routon said the funds must be spread among too many patients.

"Obviously, this is one of the saddest cases we've ever seen in our community," Routon said. "I think the public is not always aware that Texas is almost last in funding for mental health services in the nation. That affects our court system, how many people are in jails, how many people are having disturbances in the street and how many lives are unproductive. It shows up in a lot of ways."

The day Davidson testified in Schlosser's trial, he thanked the court in his gravelly voice for the opportunity to spread God's word.

Throughout his testimony, he answered attorneys' questions by quoting Scripture and giving his interpretation of the Bible, which other clergy members have described as out of the mainstream.

In addition to believing that demons cause mental illness, he preaches that women are possessed by a Jezebel spirit and must submit to their husbands.

"All mental problems, I'm convinced, is caused by demons," he testified. "I do not believe that any mental illness exists that is not manifestation of demonic activity."

Davidson was the only person Schlosser immediately put on her jail visitation list besides her husband. The minister was also the first person John Schlosser called after his wife told him she had cut off Maggie's arms.

Schlosser was obsessed with Davidson. She constantly spoke of him to her family and sent them tapes of his sermons. She told a psychiatrist that she began to believe that God told her that Maggie was to marry Davidson.

The day before Maggie died, the Schlossers argued in the church parking lot because Schlosser wanted to give Maggie "to God" or "to Doyle." They continued arguing at home where, according to a psychiatric report of John Schlosser, he spanked his wife with a wooden spoon.

The role that Davidson played in Schlosser's life concerns some in the mental health field.

"Somebody has to start saying something about evangelical religion's role in these tragedies we've had in Texas," said Dallas psychologist Ann Dunnewold. She refers to Ms. Schlosser and another Texas mother, Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in 2001 because, she said, she thought Satan threatened them.

"I don't think we know how to begin to address it, but I think it's complicating things."

Like the Schlossers, the Yates family was deeply religious and corresponded with a minister whom Andrea Yates' husband, Randy Yates, met while in college at Auburn University.

The preacher, who disparaged Andrea Yates' Catholicism, taught that since Adam and Eve, women are a source of evil and inferior to men. Andrea Yates felt that she was a bad mother and that drowning her children would save them. And like Dena Schlosser, Andrea Yates, who home-schooled the children, was relatively isolated.

Andrea Yates' capital murder retrial was scheduled to begin Monday, but a judge postponed it because of a scheduling conflict. A jury in 2002 rejected her claim of insanity but an appeals court later overturned the conviction.

Schlosser at times was well enough to care for herself. Medication helped, and she was judged by many around her as capable of making sound decisions.

But she and her husband repeatedly asked her psychiatrist to stop the Haldol. By all accounts, the drug was helping her.

She also refused counseling and was not forthcoming about her delusions and hallucinations when she was medicated.

She believed that a little boy who asked her for a glass of water in the summer of 2004 was Jesus. She believed that bloody streets turned into apostles heralding the Apocalypse. She believed that God told her to cut off Maggie's arms, as well as her own arms, head and legs.

Routon of LifePath said that because there is no physical test for mental illness, doctors determine how someone is doing partly based on how they - and their families - say they're doing.

"There's not a litmus test you can give: `Are they doing great or not?'" Routon said. "A lot of the practice of psychiatry involves self-report."

Many patients quit taking medications because they have started to feel better or because of what can be severe side effects.

Additionally, many women become adept at keeping quiet about postpartum depression, Dunnewold said.

"We have such taboos about mental health issues, but we have even bigger taboos about mothers being unhappy with motherhood," she said. "Women are able to keep it sort of under wraps, and then it can flare up. You want to believe it's coming together. Families want to believe it's all coming together."

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NOTE: Last week, prosecutors sought a second capital murder trial for Dena Schlosser, accused of killing her 10-month-old daughter. The first trial ended in a mistrial on Feb. 25 after jurors failed to reach a unanimous decision on whether the Plano mother was not guilty by reason of insanity. The following story is culled from facts and descriptions from interviews and the testimony of various sources during the first trial.

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DEPRESSION AFTER CHILDBIRTH

Postpartum depression can be caused by hormonal changes that can affect brain chemicals after giving birth. About 10 percent of new mothers experience some degree of postpartum depression. Treatment can include medication and psychotherapy.

Symptoms include:

Sluggishness, fatigue, exhaustion

Feelings of hopelessness or depression

Disturbances with appetite or sleep

Confusion

Uncontrollable crying

Lack of interest in the baby

Fear of harming the baby or oneself

Mood swings

Postpartum psychosis is more severe and less common, occurring in one to two of every 1,000 new mothers. Of those, an estimated 5 percent commit suicide, and 4 percent kill their babies. Risk factors include a family history of psychosis, bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. Postpartum depression can evolve into psychosis after a dramatic or traumatic event.

Symptoms, which usually arise within three days of delivery, can include:

Hallucinations

Delusions, for example, about a need to kill the baby, that the baby is possessed or a denial of the birth

Delirium, mania and frantic energy

Extreme confusion, memory loss or incoherence

Paranoia, irrational statements, preoccupation with trivial things

Refusal to eat

A woman who is diagnosed as having postpartum psychosis should be hospitalized until she is in stable condition, according to the National Mental Health Association. Doctors may prescribe a mood stabilizer, antipsychotic or antidepressant to treat the psychosis.

Sources: American Psychiatric Association; National Mental Health Association; Postpartum Support International

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WHAT'S NEXT?

The state will prosecute Dena Schlosser again. A pretrial hearing is scheduled for Thursday.

A judge or jury could decide the verdict in a second trial.

A recent change to state law would allow the defense and prosecutors to agree that Schlosser was insane when she killed daughter Maggie. The outcome would be the same as a jury deciding that she was not guilty by reason of insanity: Schlosser would go to North Texas State Hospital in Vernon until state District Judge Chris Oldner decides that she should be released.

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GETTING HELP

Postpartum Support International provides information for new parents, an online list of support groups, chats, discussion boards and a postpartum self-assessment test at http://www.postpartum.net

Depression After Delivery Inc. provides information, support and links to information at http://www.charityadvantage.com/depress ... chosis.asp
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« Reply #129 on: March 27, 2006, 11:05:00 PM »
Dont you bleeding hearts have anything better to do with your time. :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::  ::kma::
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« Reply #130 on: March 27, 2006, 11:38:00 PM »
Ah, no.

Problem solving is timely and difficult.
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« Reply #131 on: March 28, 2006, 05:37:00 PM »
Fry the bitch!
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« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2006, 12:59:00 AM »
:tup:  :tup: I couldnt agree more.
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« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2006, 02:08:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-30 21:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

" :tup:  :tup: I couldnt agree more."


Does any one else from the Rusty Yates
fan club want to jump on the "Fry the
Bitch" bandwagon?
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« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2006, 03:47:00 PM »
I hope Andrea Yates gets the help she needs.
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