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Offline Mister Pink

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 02:54:00 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2005, 04:13:00 AM »
I think Marty Kruglick reads this and got some big wig lawyers and all his money that elan has scammed out of our families together and is gonna kick the shit outta everyone who has been saying this stuff about him IN COURT. You guys think this is fake. Im a 21 year old girl Im not trying to scare anyone Im being realistic. I think its real I think elan is sick and I think they are really doing this. I dont think they are suing fornits I think they got warrants to find out who typed this stuff and found every possible angle that they can and will sue anyone (60 people who said stuff. Marty wants people to rot in jail. He is being vindictive cuz of what you guys said. i was right here laughing along with you. I hate elan and I think they are gonna sue you guys they have so much court experience they know what to do and how to win. Im serious you guys I WOULD STOP LAUGHING AND CALL THE SCHOOL I would wanna know especially if i was pink or Nazi. If you never said anything bad then go ahead and laugh but Im scared that elam is GONNA WIN AGAIN IF THEY LOCK YOU GUYS UP AGAIN IM GONNA LOSE IT THEY CANT DO THIS TO US! How has this gone on for so long! How can our legal system listen to them!!!!!!!!! WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK AND I WANT TO BE IN THAT COURT ROOM IF THERE IS A FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2005, 08:39:00 AM »
keep laughing Mr Pink.  I cant wait for them to get you.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2005, 09:28:00 AM »
Don't get too excited.  There's a process that needs to be followed.  First thing is that they have to send a subpeona to Ginger to get the IP addresses of certain posters.  Second thing is that they have to subpoena the ISP records of each individual matched to a certain IP address.  This is not an easy task, believe me, I know the WHOLE DEAL.

If they succeed in getting ISP logs, those logs may only cover a week or less of IP logging, in which case, any "incriminating evidence" more than a week old cannot be tied to an IP address.  Logs are sometimes kept much longer, up to a couple of months, but that is unusual.

In the case of DHCP, each IP address must be tracked in the same fashion.  Some users may have a new IP address every time they log on, some every time they reboot their broadband modem.  The best hope for the party seeking this information is that the target has a static IP, which is very rare unless it involves a business that employs VPN or the like.

In addition to these difficulties, users may have employed proxy servers to access this site.  These are still traceable in some cases, but not if the proxy strips the IP header of the originator and replaces it with its own, in which case you'd have to go through the subpoena process for that server and so forth.

At the very least, this takes time and is expensive.  I have sincere doubts that some sherriff's department is going to take up the yoke on this.  In my experience with the NYS Troop Computer Forensics Specialist, they go about as far as tracing to the proxy where the header has been stripped.  In the event that the proxy resides outside their state (or county in a sherriff's case), or outside the country, the game is up because their jurisdiction has been exceeded.

These cases normally ferment into civil cases, in which the petitioner will need to pay quite heavily to trace trace the information.

Anyway, as an IT professional who has been a victim of internet threats and harrassment, my conclusion is that more than likely, nothing will happen.  When the sherriff gives up (that won't take long, even if they're convinced a crime has been committed - which I am not so sure about) it will go to a lawyer, then a PI or forensic specialist and by that time the logs from the ISP will have been dumped and any traceable information will be gone.

So, for the "perpetrators" the best move is to cease and desist, then wait it out.  In a week or two the "evidence" will be gone at the ISP level.  For those seeking redress of grievance, the best bet is to go to the civil route and try to meet the burden of proof at the "preponderance of evidence" threshold, as you simply won't be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed, aside from the fact that the case would be multi-jurisdictional and interstate, which means the sherriff is useless and you need the FBI.  Good luck with that.

In any case, it begins with a subpoena for Ginger's records.  Did you get served with a subpoena for your logs, Ginger?
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »
:nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :smile:
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
I probably wouldn't say if I did receive a subpoena. But I'm pretty sure you're right. This complaint has been tried already by one very determined and vindictive party. It didn't fly. I have no idea what the status of the case is today against the alleged author of the content in question. But I got dropped.

Here's what I don't understand, though. Why? Ya' know, there's a perennial topic around here about which program produces the craziest people. I'm always torn between Straight and Elan on that one. But I tend to think, per-capita, it's Elan. After all, Straight had over 20 locations open at one time going back to the mid `70's, some of those groups were close to a thousand members at various points AND they still have a few stringers operating under various names.

Elan was never that big, but just look at the sheer volume of venom and hate that consistently flows out of this very small group.

I just don't understand why. I sort of suspect that our obnoxious scat fixated troll is the same joker who used to post as Nazi or 88 or any of a number of other usernames. Can it really be as simple as this lunatic spending years fuckin' around w/ my forum just because he hates jews? Aren't there better targets?

Or is he actually another sort of lunatic. Is he actually one of those psychos who just loved the Program and is perfectly happy and eager to spend the rest of his days running chaos missions in defense of the cult?

The world may never know....

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 12:25:00 PM »
None of the above, I would say. I don't think Elan-bots are any more f*cked up than most other program kids. The venom on this board isn't that poisonous in my opinion, the problem is some people seem to take it seriously. Sure there probally is some troll out there having lots of "fun" but for the most part this board is tame. But that's just my $0.02

-Mr. Pink
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
Really, Pink? You think he's just a Howard Stern wannabe?
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2005, 09:46:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-27 09:25:00, Mister Pink wrote:

"None of the above, I would say. I don't think Elan-bots are any more f*cked up than most other program kids. The venom on this board isn't that poisonous in my opinion, the problem is some people seem to take it seriously. Sure there probally is some troll out there having lots of "fun" but for the most part this board is tame. But that's just my $0.02



-Mr. Pink"


mr pink calling someone else a wannabe..  :lol:
threatening lives isnt joking MrPink and thats what you did, dont try to smooth it over.  they are comming for you.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
The whole title of this thread is ridiculous.  Does anyone think that Fornits will really be shut down?  Come on people.  Free speech.  The owners/operators of these fora are NOT responsible for the content that others post.  Come back to reality.
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
Oh boo-hoo. You people threaten your own lives by closing in on the threshold  of 'too stupid to breathe'. Quote one post where I threatened anyone (besides the people who threatened to show up at my home).  :scared: they're coming to get me!  :scared:
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2005, 02:18:00 PM »
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#5 Rd. Poland, ME


At the bequest of one Mister Andy Pinkerton, I am writing to inform everyone present that as of two o'clock PM today, Mr. Pinkerton  has reached a private settlement with the Elan School, Poland ME. In exchange for full immunity and the freedom to exercise his first ammendment rights -he will voluntarily give testimony regarding the hate speech crimes committed by and against members of the Fornits Wayward Web Fora, LLC. He will also be given several years worth of candy packs and an honorary position on the Elan Board of Trustees. The Elan School has been most cooperative and pleasant in all matters regarding these proceedings. Hi-yuh-hi-yuh-hi-yuh-yuh

-Mr. Pink's Attorney
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2005, 05:40:00 PM »
All of you spoiled Elan brats are a bunch of Whacked out fuckers. Whats the matter ? Mommy still drunk in the hamptons while Daddy is off raping young boys in Thailand?
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2005, 08:20:00 PM »
hmmmmmmmmmm kinda quiet here
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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2005, 12:22:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-28 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"All of you spoiled Elan brats are a bunch of Whacked out fuckers. Whats the matter ? Mommy still drunk in the hamptons while Daddy is off raping young boys in Thailand?"
:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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