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Warning about Hyde School from an educational consultant
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-31 08:11:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:
"Lars,
When were you at Hyde? I ask because Hyde's practices and cult lingo seem to have changed somewhat over the years. Also can you shed some light on what something called "outpost" is all about? They had no such thing in '76.
Thanks,
Tommy
We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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[ This Message was edited by: tommyfromhyde1 on 2005-10-31 08:12 ]"
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I think outpost is the term Hyde uses when it sends an "off track" (to use Hyde jargon) student to the Hyde wilderness program in Eustis, Maine for a "wake-up call" (e.g., due to ethics problems while attending Bath or Woodstock). My guess is that some time ago Hyde staff realized there's a market for kids who need or want a wilderness experience. Many Hyde kids enroll at Hyde after a wilderness program, and some Hyde kids were being sent to wilderness programs if issues emerged during their Hyde experience. The Hyde wilderness component offers other programs as well. I guess Hyde decided to develop an in-house program that reflects the Hyde perspective.
I have no problem with the general concept of wilderness programs for struggling teens. In fact, there's some pretty good research evidence concerning the effectiveness of popular programs such as Redcliff Ascent, Catherine Freer, Aspen, Second Nature, Sage, New Horizons, etc. My major concern is that, as usual, Hyde puts its unique spin on its own wilderness program. Given the widespread concern I've been hearing from many people (including educational consultants) about Hyde's model in general (how destructive it can be), I'd be concerned about any program that has Hyde's fingerprints on it.
Lars:
Tommy,
I started at Hyde in the summer of 1987, before the first of my two junior years there. They didn't call their wilderness trips "outpost," they called them "attitude trips" On these and on "2/4," their favorite meaningless torture exercise was called the "cheops" pile. They had a monstrous pile of sticks out in the back field and they'd make us move the pile about a hundred yards down the field stick by stick. Then, when the whole pile was transferred, they'd have us move it back again, stick by stick. Just for kicks, if they felt our attitude wasn't good, they'd halt process to have us do some calisthenics.
Oh yeah, and the sports programs there were BRUTAL. It was as if they didn't consider being on a sports team to be a character building experience unless they ran you until you were puking. True, I was in ridiculously good physical shape (I'm talking muscles on top of muscles - no kidding). But what good is that when you can't even get laid without getting publicly shamed for it when people found out?
I wasn't exaggerating when I said that going to college was like being let out of prison (Why Arizona State? Check out Playboy's girls of the Pac-10 pictorial and you'll understand why - especially after you've spent a few winters in Maine).
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---True, I was in ridiculously good physical shape (I'm talking muscles on top of muscles - no kidding). But what good is that when you can't even get laid without getting publicly shamed for it when people found out?
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And this, ladies and gentleman, is a good example as any as to why someone like Lars never "got it" at Hyde. A high-schooler who thinks he should be allowed to have sex because of his muscles.
Wow. Muscles on musles. Someone should just give you a key to the white house right now. You clearly deserve it.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-11-04 18:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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True, I was in ridiculously good physical shape (I'm talking muscles on top of muscles - no kidding). But what good is that when you can't even get laid without getting publicly shamed for it when people found out?
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And this, ladies and gentleman, is a good example as any as to why someone like Lars never "got it" at Hyde. A high-schooler who thinks he should be allowed to have sex because of his muscles.
Wow. Muscles on musles. Someone should just give you a key to the white house right now. You clearly deserve it."
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I don't think what Lars had to say is necessarily appropriate, but isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black?
My feeling is Hyde Fan, you are the most arrogant person I have seen posting on a board. Maybe this is why Lars comments triggered something in you! Possibly you are very similar! How can you say Lars didn't "get it!" Who are you to decide what "getting it" means unless you are part of the staff!!
In any case, whatever Lars says or doesn't say, the fact remains he experienced some pretty abusive situations at Hyde. Whether he had five layers of muscles doesn't matter! Let's not confuse the issues!
Lars:
Pretty funny, I didn't get it because I thought I should be allowed to have sex because of my muscles. Obviously, Hydefan here has no sense of humor (As I recall, neither did any of the Hyde faculty).
This dolt has finally shown his true colors. He's what most message board posters refer to as a troll. One key to quality discussion on boards like this: Don't feed the trolls!
Ignore this schmuck, he (or she) just isn't worth responding to anymore.
[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-04 20:00 ]
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