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« on: October 07, 2005, 01:33:00 AM »
HAHA.

Narvin Lichfield is my dad. You guys make me laugh.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2005, 02:05:00 AM »
Oh, you poor thing!
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2005, 12:23:00 PM »
Not really. He's actually a decent guy, and I find it hilarious that people like you, who've never even met him, go on and on about how horrid a person he is and how he should rot in jail. That speaks volumes about you, not him.

I mean, for crying out loud, I was a complete skeptic of the whole process because I had the threat of being sent to one of these "horrible" programs hanging over my head from the minute I turned 13.

Now I'm 18, I actually work at a program as a tutor, and I see myself how much of these alleged "abuse cases" are just kids desperate to go back home where they can smoke pot again. Heck, they openly admit it to me. They'll say anything and everything. It's disgusting, and I actually pity the people who believe them.

Have there been actual abuse cases in the past? Undoubtedly. Is that anywhere near a norm? Absolutely not.

The fact is, if one of these kids thinks he can dupe his or her parents into bringing him or her home by saying they all get 50 lashings a day and only get fed mud mixed with oatmeal and blah-de-blah-de-blah, THEY'LL SAY IT.

90% of all the whining you hear from program kids is pretty stupid if you actually sit down and think about it.

I have vivid memories of when I was younger, kids going into the programs and lower-level kids trying so hard to poison my mind against my father. It's sick, now that I think back on it. One kid told me that my dad picked up a washing machine and dropped it...on his ear. Nevermind that there wasn't even a nick on the kid: think about that for a second. My father is a hefty guy. He would never be capable of lifting a washing machine. Almost ALL of the claims these kids make are exactly like that: utterly bogus if you actually stop to think about it.

Wake up, people. You're getting so riled up over nothing and it's really, really pathetic.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2005, 12:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-07 09:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Not really. He's actually a decent guy, and I find it hilarious that people like you, who've never even met him, go on and on about how horrid a person he is and how he should rot in jail. That speaks volumes about you, not him.



I mean, for crying out loud, I was a complete skeptic of the whole process because I had the threat of being sent to one of these "horrible" programs hanging over my head from the minute I turned 13.



Now I'm 18, I actually work at a program as a tutor, and I see myself how much of these alleged "abuse cases" are just kids desperate to go back home where they can smoke pot again. Heck, they openly admit it to me. They'll say anything and everything. It's disgusting, and I actually pity the people who believe them.



Have there been actual abuse cases in the past? Undoubtedly. Is that anywhere near a norm? Absolutely not.



The fact is, if one of these kids thinks he can dupe his or her parents into bringing him or her home by saying they all get 50 lashings a day and only get fed mud mixed with oatmeal and blah-de-blah-de-blah, THEY'LL SAY IT.



90% of all the whining you hear from program kids is pretty stupid if you actually sit down and think about it.



I have vivid memories of when I was younger, kids going into the programs and lower-level kids trying so hard to poison my mind against my father. It's sick, now that I think back on it. One kid told me that my dad picked up a washing machine and dropped it...on his ear. Nevermind that there wasn't even a nick on the kid: think about that for a second. My father is a hefty guy. He would never be capable of lifting a washing machine. Almost ALL of the claims these kids make are exactly like that: utterly bogus if you actually stop to think about it.



Wake up, people. You're getting so riled up over nothing and it's really, really pathetic."


I always wondered if your dad wears a toupee or if that is his real hair I saw in those pictures?

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2005, 12:30:00 PM »
Nope.  :lol:

It's all real. He used to dye it, but he gave up on that a while back, if that's any consolation.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2005, 12:48:00 PM »
Charles Manson is a thoughtful poet and decent musician. What! Ever met him? Then what do you know? STFU!

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2005, 01:16:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-07 09:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Charles Manson is a thoughtful poet and decent musician. What! Ever met him? Then what do you know? STFU!

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin


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Do I even have to reply to that? Come back with something logical and not stupid, OK? Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2005, 01:47:00 PM »
Logic? It's your logic. No one, according to your "logic" can form a valid opinion about your father unless we've met him face to face. Even then, people who don't care for him or approve of his behavior just don't "get it".

In this context, how is your dad any different from Charles Manson? Do you feel that you can form a reasonable opinion of Charles Manson w/o having to get to know him intimately and personally?

If so, then why can't we all form valid and reasonable opinions about your dad and his behavior based on what is publicly known about him?

BTW, here's a question I've asked again and again and never gotten any decent public explanation. What is the meaning of the term "sweeping the sunshine"? If you're unfamiliar w/ that term then there is only one logical explanation; I know things about your father that you do not.


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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2005, 02:27:00 PM »
Son, when you were "younger" why did your father have you hanging around PROGRAM KIDS in the first place? That, in itself, is strange. From how you describe these program kids, why would a responsible father want you being a "tutor" for them? PERHAPS, training you to be IN the FAMILY business later on? From your attitude here, seems like you might just fit in: you show no respect for these kids, have a belittling attitude towards them, view them as "manipuliative little liars and druggies." Just a little more training, and YOU WILL BE ABUSING THEM, JUST LIKE DADDY, WON'T YOU?
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2005, 02:27:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-07 09:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Not really. He's actually a decent guy, and I find it hilarious that people like you, who've never even met him, go on and on about how horrid a person he is and how he should rot in jail. That speaks volumes about you, not him.



I mean, for crying out loud, I was a complete skeptic of the whole process because I had the threat of being sent to one of these "horrible" programs hanging over my head from the minute I turned 13.



Now I'm 18, I actually work at a program as a tutor, and I see myself how much of these alleged "abuse cases" are just kids desperate to go back home where they can smoke pot again. Heck, they openly admit it to me. They'll say anything and everything. It's disgusting, and I actually pity the people who believe them.



Have there been actual abuse cases in the past? Undoubtedly. Is that anywhere near a norm? Absolutely not.



The fact is, if one of these kids thinks he can dupe his or her parents into bringing him or her home by saying they all get 50 lashings a day and only get fed mud mixed with oatmeal and blah-de-blah-de-blah, THEY'LL SAY IT.



90% of all the whining you hear from program kids is pretty stupid if you actually sit down and think about it.



I have vivid memories of when I was younger, kids going into the programs and lower-level kids trying so hard to poison my mind against my father. It's sick, now that I think back on it. One kid told me that my dad picked up a washing machine and dropped it...on his ear. Nevermind that there wasn't even a nick on the kid: think about that for a second. My father is a hefty guy. He would never be capable of lifting a washing machine. Almost ALL of the claims these kids make are exactly like that: utterly bogus if you actually stop to think about it.



Wake up, people. You're getting so riled up over nothing and it's really, really pathetic."


You are great at discounting reality, you really are. Funny, I've never seen a kid in a program post here, only the ones who have already left/graduated. According to you, the only people accusing staff/programs of abuse are those wanting to leave. Doesn't exactly make too much sense does it? It's okay though, I understand you are only 18 and your post certainly shows it. I'm sure it will take you many years to work out the teachings of your father, I couldn't imagine having such a useless individual as a parent. Your mind must be seriously warped. When you grow up maybe you can come back and we can have an adult conversation. Until then, good luck overcoming your future demons.

The most interesting part of your post is the fact they allow 18 year olds to 'tutor' other students. What are you a few months older than the oldest students at the program?  :rofl: What qualifications do you have? Ohhh... that's right, you don't need any to work at a shitty program!
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2005, 02:31:00 PM »
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I mean, for crying out loud, I was a complete skeptic of the whole process because I had the threat of being sent to one of these "horrible" programs hanging over my head from the minute I turned 13.


That's horrible your parent(s?) held that threat over your head your entire adolescence. I've met a few people who were placed in programs at the age of 12 and 13 and they were definitely the most worse off. They routinely were the punching bags of the older students who wanting to 'let off steam'. It's a pity you support your fathers evil deeds. Although I am sure you will, I would work hard at trying not to follow in his footsteps. He is one of the most hated individuals in this industry. For good reason!
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2005, 02:34:00 PM »
So , son of shithead, why did dundee close down then if it's so great?

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Dundee Campaign Donation Probed
By Tim Rogers
trogers@ticotimes.net

In the latest chapter of the campaign finance scandal involving President Abel Pacheco, the office of Patriotic Parliamentary Bloc congressman Humberto Arce confirmed yesterday that it is looking into reports that Narvin Lichfield, owner of the defunct tough-love Dundee Ranch Academy, donated $10,000 to the President's election bid.

Arce, a vocal leader on the congressional committee investigating campaign finance irregularities, was asked by regional child-advocacy group Casa Alianza to look into the possibly irregular contribution following a Nov. 28 report in The Tico Times, in which Lichfield admitted he donated to Pacheco's campaign.

Lichfield acknowledged in a phone interview with The Tico Times last month that he had donated money to Pacheco's campaign, and had appealed to the President for help when his academy was forced to close in May on allegations of children's rights abuses.

Foreign campaign donations are illegal under Costa Rica's Electoral Code.

The Pacheco campaign team, however, managed to skirt finance regulations by creating a parallel fund-raising structure to handle irregular donations that were never reported to the Supreme Elections Tribunal (TSE), as required by law.

Although Lichfield admitted to the donation, a Tico Times' investigation of TSE campaign-finance records turned up no such financial contribution either in the name of Lichfield, his Costa Rican wife, academy director Joe Atkin, Dundee Ranch Academy, Rancho Dundee, or the WorldWide Association of Specialty Programs.

Dundee Ranch Academy, a behavior-modification program for wayward U.S. teenagers, was closed May 24 following two government interventions to investigate allegations of rights abuse (TT, Oct. 25, 2002; Jan. 17, March 14, May 23, 30). Lichfield was arrested and jailed for 24 hours, before being released on conditional freedoms.

Pacheco is currently out of the country and the Casa Presidencial did not respond to The Tico Times inquiries by press time yesterday.

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What kind of 'treatment' facility needs to give thousands of dollars, in other words, bribes, to public officials?
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2005, 02:36:00 PM »
U.S. Youths Rebel at Harsh School, by Tim Weiner

OROTINA, Costa Rica, May 25 -- A torrent of teenage rage, hard and fast as the tropical rain on this Pacific coast, washed away the Academy at Dundee Ranch this weekend.

Dundee Ranch, the latest foreign outpost in a far-flung affiliation of behavior modification programs that promises to convert troubled American teenagers into straight arrows, lasted 19 months before the students rose up in revolt and overthrew their masters.

 

The rebellion erupted after Costa Rican officials visited the ranch -- an old hotel on a rutted red-dirt road -- and told the children of their rights after complaints about the program from a former director.

"They told us you have the right to speak, you have the right to speak to your parents, you have the right to leave if you feel you've been mistreated," said Hugh Maxwell, 17, of Rhode Island. "Kids heard that and they started running for the door. There was elation, cheering and clapping and chaos. People were crying."

Adults beat some of the children to quell the uprising, according to six people present. The academy's owner, Narvin Lichfield, was jailed for 30 hours, may face criminal charges and has been ordered by a judge to remain in Costa Rica. Four staff members feared by the children are being deported to Jamaica, government officials said. Most of the children are going home, many to an uncertain future.

About 30 youths still remain at the academy. Two of them, Sean McDevitt of North Carolina and David Saczawl of New Jersey, sat in the cafeteria and joked about a fitting sentence for Mr. Lichfield, should he be tried on human rights charges, as threatened by a local prosecutor.

"Four years here would be about right," said Sean, who has spent the past 11 months at the academy.

Dundee Ranch's base lay in the canyonlands of southern Utah, in a business called the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools, or Wwasps.

Wwasps, based in St. George, Utah, bills itself as the fastest-growing enterprise aimed at defiant and delinquent children. Some 2,200 children in 11 affiliated programs in the United States and abroad are charged between $30,000 to $50,000 in tuition and fees, generating yearly revenues of $60 million or more.

Wwasps disclaims ownership or direction of these affiliated programs. But Craig Barlow, a Utah State prosecutor who brought a child abuse charge against the director of one Wwasps-affiliated school, says they are "a lateral arabesque with no hub except for these connections in Utah." He cites a network of interlocking directorships based on blood and business ties.

Narvin Lichfield is a brother of Wwasps' founder. He started a Wwasps program in South Carolina, Carolina Springs Academy, then moved to Dundee Ranch, which opened in 2001.

Parents who sent their children to Wwasps-affiliated programs -- including Dundee Ranch; Casa by the Sea, in Ensenada, Mexico; and Tranquility Bay in St. Elizabeth, Jamaica -- suggest the programs meet a deep need. In many cases, a bitter divorce led to despair over a child who turned defiant. Schools, courts, and public health systems proved unable to cope.

Searching the Internet, parents found the Wwasps programs. A call to a toll-free number produced sales pitches, and offers of financial assistance helped to sell the programs, which are booming.

Dundee Ranch's enrollment increased 30 percent over the past year. According to students, as many as 15 children slept in a single room.

According to students, Narvin Lichfield was a fleeting if unforgettable presence.

Corey Martin, 17, who left Dundee Ranch in July, described Mr. Lichfield in a telephone interview last week as "a used-car salesman." Hugh Maxwell said: "There are people there who care about the kids. Narvin is not one of them. He's in it for the money."

Students said Mr. Lichfield set up a system typical of Wwasps programs. Children were divided into six levels, the lower ones forbidden to speak freely or raise their eyes, the higher ones free to discipline and punish inferiors. A muscular cadre of minimum-wage staff members enforced the system. Communication between parents and children was barred or closely edited. Parents were told that complaints from children were manipulative lies.

Academy directors came and went. Amberly Knight held the job from March to August 2002. She resigned, and early in March this year wrote to the Costa Rican minister for child welfare, saying that "Dundee Ranch Academy should not be allowed to operate because it is poorly managed, takes financial advantage of parents in crisis, and puts teens in physical and emotional risk."

Two months later, Ms. Knight's complaint led to a confrontation. Representatives of Costa Rica's child-welfare agency -- known as PANI, its Spanish-language initials -- arrived at Dundee Ranch on May 20, backed by the police. Events were described by six witnesses, including Joel Snyder, 17, of Wisconsin, in an open letter to Dundee Ranch parents.

"When PANI told some kids they had the right to speak to their parents and the right to private mail or even not to be held in that country, kids ran for freedom," his account reads. Other children confirm that between 30 and 50 of them revolted, some fleeing on foot, heading for the hills or seeking a beachhead on the Pacific Ocean, 20 miles away.

Joel did not run. But he refused to sign a statement immediately produced by the Dundee Ranch staff saying he had been well treated. "I was immediately forced into a High Impact facility," he wrote. He tried to leave, he wrote, and was beaten with a stick by the staff.

A 14-year-old girl at the academy, whose mother asked that her name be withheld, picked up the account.

"The police said those who wanted to leave could leave and we could talk to our parents," she said in an interview. "The staff members tried to pull all the kids back to the dorms. It was chaotic. We were excited -- `Oh my God, I'm going home.' We thought the school was going to shut down right there. Some of the kids started walking out."

She said that staff members started kicking, hitting and choking children to stop them from leaving, and that the punishment continued for hours after the Costa Rican officials left. "We wanted to talk to a higher power, the U.S. Embassy, but they would not let us," she said. Her mother, informed of the chaos through a parents' grapevine, reached the embassy, which sent a consular services officer, who helped reunite mother and daughter.

On Thursday afternoon, Mr. Lichfield regrouped. "He called every kid into the cafeteria and said, `Program's back in order. No one's leaving. Stop acting up,' and that lit a fire," Hugh Maxwell said. "It was a full-fledged riot."

Then, that night, "Narvin got arrested and all hell broke loose," as one parent who was visiting at the time described the scene. Mr. Lichfield was detained on Thursday night on a local prosecutor's complaints of physical and psychological abuse. The police seized the program's computers and files.

In Utah, Ken Kay, president of Wwasps, sought to calm parents and transfer children to Wwasps-affiliated programs inside and outside the United States. But over the weekend, even parents who passionately believe in the program found flights home for their children.

Mr. Kay kept working to persuade them to stay, saying in a weekend e-mail message -- a copy of which was made available by parents -- that programs in New York, Montana and Jamaica "would be happy to work with your child."

"I feel bad that you don't recognize that Narvin was trying to do what he could for your children," Mr. Kay wrote.

"I can't say the program did no good," said Dustin Sanow, 17, of Mississippi, "but it's pretty traumatic. Parents have no idea what's going on. I feel they manipulated my folks."

His mother, Anita Sanow, an Air Force major, did not find out that Dundee Ranch had collapsed until Sunday afternoon. "I feel that people were less than honest with me about the program," she said. "I feel they misrepresented things. I feel like the dollar mattered more than the kids."

Dustin's friend Hugh Maxwell said: "I support the program. It provides you with a chance to change. But it deprives you of so much, too. It's a last resort. It's desperation."
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2005, 02:39:00 PM »
does anyone have a picture of this piece of shit Narvin Lichfied?

Heres a picture of his fatass ugly brother;



So sonny boy, is your dad as fat and ugly as his brother? Looks like they are eating well.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2005, 02:44:00 PM »
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I have vivid memories of when I was younger, kids going into the programs and lower-level kids trying so hard to poison my mind against my father.


You just don't get it. These kids were trying to convince you of the truth, not poison your mind; rather free your mind! If you came near me and I found out you were the program owners son I wouldn't have 'talked' to you if you catch my drift. I would of gotten together with some others and taken you hostage. This isn't a game, son. I hope you realize that.
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