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« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2005, 06:57:00 PM »
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« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2005, 07:04:00 PM »
KI's Post from earlier:

"Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you he was there for nearly two years. I should know, I left a month after he did. "

And below are his posts regarding when DJ worked at Daytop. Now, since we know that Hidden Lake was established in July-August of 1994, and DJ worked at Daytop in 1995 until the end of 1996, that claim of him working at HLA for 2 years is just a little bit exagerated dontcha think Kristen? So, now who's lying? I stand by my statement. DJ wasn't at the school for any length of time close to two years and was there at the very very beginning when there were hardly any students and no new buildings or facilities. It was just getting off the ground and getting established. His sense of being OH SO IMPORTANT at the school is a little off. Just wanted to make that point.
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« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2005, 08:49:00 PM »
Is that you Bullfrog?

We can we expect you to get back to some of those other questions?

Or are you going to predictably say:

"What questions? Ive answered everything put to me."

Suprise me this time Susie and just try and answer them.
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« Reply #153 on: January 20, 2006, 11:05:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-16 09:54:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:


"So.....tell me this boys, who is full of shit now?"


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« Reply #154 on: January 20, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-13 06:15:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:

"Who is Mrs. Gray? I posted a few of the previous posts to Overlordd but I am not a Mrs. Gray. You have me confused with somebody else."


YOU have YOU confused with somebody else.  Lord, you are twisted, Cybill.
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« Reply #155 on: January 20, 2006, 01:14:00 PM »
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"Quite a few times you have said posts were mine when they weren't. I would guess only about 15 % of them are actually mine."


...and the rest were my multiple personalities.
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« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-15 09:45:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:

"Most of my posts I made it pretty damn clear who I was."


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"I just wanted to point out that a lot of posts you think are mine, are not, to point out your ignorance..."


 ::soapbox::

Too funny.
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« Reply #157 on: August 25, 2008, 11:28:14 PM »
The following post is originally from 2 pages or so back in this thread, on Thu Nov 17 2005. The portion relevant to my post is towards the end of it (highlighted in red).

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I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes.

1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc.

2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons.

3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state.

4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit.

5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising.

6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated.

7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there.
 
:cool: And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you.

Was this Anne Strader perchance married to a Mike Strader, who worked as a "wilderness counselor" at HLA around that time?

I came across the following brief bio for Mike on (CEDU-offshoot) Shortridge Academy's site:

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MIKE STRADER, Counselor

As a graduate of Rocky Mountain Academy himself, Mike pursued a career in mentoring and counseling youth. He brings nine years of experience in therapeutic education, beginning with his counseling experience as a Wilderness Counselor at Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia. Mike enhanced his career by becoming a Program Mentor and advancing to the level of Assistant Phase Leader for the lower school phase at Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) in Oregon. In his last three years at MBA, he served in a role equivalent to Dean of Students as he led special projects, supported all phases and counselors, and facilitated emotional growth workshops. In recognition for his leadership, commitment, and work ethic, he was honored with the Dedication Award. He further developed his skills with youth by working with law enforcement as a Community Service Police Officer in San Bruno, CA. In his spare time, Mike is pursuing certification as an Emergency Medical Technician. Mike is also the coach of Shortridge Academy’s traveling soccer team.
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« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2008, 03:46:19 AM »
"... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy."       -Alex Carey

"The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations."     -Noam Chomsky

      The themes that have been prominent in our lives over the past two decades, and even more so those that have surfaced as a result of the Bush Administration; have been more amplified in our every day lives, social discourse and the media due to the importance and truly historical nature of the upcoming presidential elections.  Of course, the fact that the economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and the horrendous foreign policies in themselves have been important, with or without the elections.  So as i've recently dug deeper and researched many of these issues, many of them reminded me of HLA.
      I think programs like HLA probably owe a lot of gratitude to President Clinton's policies and transformations that gave rise to Capitalism on this huge scale.  The aftermath of these policies has been corruption on a wide scale, that has affected everything from schools, law enforcement, corporations and government (since corporations and special interests are in affect the ones pulling the strings.  HLA is no exception.  It's quite obvious that we're all thought of as consumers and objects to these big companies, as that was kind of the point.  The idea behind it is to give people the freedom (really still in a very limited way) to live as they please and choose products as we want.  And of course parents are sold this horrible idea of these boarding schools like HLA, and give their child's liberties and rights up in the process.
      After September 11th, Bush passed The Patriot Act only because it was expected of them so that Bush would have powers to "protect our national security" and be able to react with military response to the terrorist attacks.  The Patriot Act is almost 400 pages long and Congress was given about 5 hours to read it; so naturally it was never read before passed.  (If you don't know what the Patriot Act is you should probably check that out due to it's complete disregard of the constitution and erodes our freedom and basic rights).  Now enter the bill 1959: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.  This basically builds upon the Patriot Act, but now any U.S. citizen can be named a terrorist by these standards, just for disagreeing with the government and expressing free speech.  Basically it suspends the law and they can perform wiretaps, raid your home, detain you and place you in prison without a trial or any evidence whatsoever.  The president can also declare Martial Law.  Troops and law enforcement have been practicing this for quite some time, actually.  A good book on this that is good for the average reader on the subject is “The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot” by Naomi Wolf.  There has already been imprisonment of our own citizens with no evidence, who have been taken to places like Guantanamo Bay and subjected to inhumane treatment and interrogation methods.
      These are all somewhat reminiscent of the rules and lifestyle at HLA (of course the government level is quite more extreme in nature as it affects the entire country on such a grand scale, and Guantanamo is obviously by far worse).  I think the parallels are quite interesting and surely alarming.  
      And although we're already not in a very good position due to the corruption and deception by the Bush administration, at least we're not all sitting around still arguing whether or not what they've done is wrong.  We all know it, it's undeniable to anyone with any type of intelligence and/or decency whatsoever.  It's also obvious that what HLA has done is completely wrong and inexcusable and there should be no reason for people to still be arguing about whether or not it was oppressive, abusive, deceptive, and is corrupt should no longer be subject buying into the petty arguments with crazy immoral people who defend such a cause in these forums.  I posted something here a whole ago about my experience at HLA and how horrible and absolutely illegal and how wrong I, as well as many others, were treated.  If somehow these weird defenders of this Academy on the website are still in denial and would like me to share it, I'll be glad to.
      One thing I didn't talk much about was the quality, of lack thereof, of the education at HLA.  During an entire semester of algebra 2, we covered about 1 1/2 chapters (that's being rather generous), and went over the basics of factoring a few basic types of binomials and polynomials- using only one method (the one that's usually taught first- trial and error).  If you think that is somehow good education or qualifies as an algebra 2 course in high school, then nobody should take you seriously.  There was more material covered in the trigonometry course, but it still wasn't nearly up to par and definitely did not cover all of the required material.   The biology class failed to even give mention to the most fundamental concept or part of biology- evolution.  And of course, the material covered was no where near acceptable.  And the most ridiculous part was without a doubt the world history class.  There, we read from the Qur'an, were forced to learn arabic and given tests weekly on it, and watched a good amount of videos of muslims praying in other parts of the world.  They weren't so much about the history of the religion as much as they were just showing the beliefs, lifestyle and rules.  This was the main focus of this class.  We brushed over some other things very quickly , but basically didn't spend a whole lot of time on everything else.  We even made posters about the festival of Ramadan and all of the rules and pillars and what not.  Of course learning about history of major monotheisms is important, in the context of history and how it affected different events and cultures.  I think  it was pretty inappropriate.  Oh, and another thing about this religion problem is that on Sundays we often had a Rabbi come to  talk to us, which was mandatory.  Even restrictions got to join in on that.  I respect your religion, but this is pretty unacceptable.  A few times a native american came to talk about his spiritual/religious views, but it was usually the former who visited.  Separation of church and state, anyone? But obviously that shouldn't apply to HLA, where freedom of speech, liberty, equality and many others of our most basic rights don't prevail.
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« Reply #159 on: September 24, 2008, 02:26:48 AM »
I want to add something to my post above... I'm really not against capitalism in general, there just needs to be some kind of balance and more ethics investigations on everything.  For the government to set it up to give the people more freedom and then allow all of the unethical behavior to go unnoticed, it goes right back to being harmful for society.  The fact that corporate lobbyists have so much power over government and policy is most certainly destructive.
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« Reply #160 on: September 25, 2008, 03:36:00 PM »
Hey buddy, I think I recognize your style. How ya been?

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There has already been imprisonment of our own citizens with no evidence, who have been taken to places like Guantanamo Bay and subjected to inhumane treatment and interrogation methods.
These are all somewhat reminiscent of the rules and lifestyle at HLA (of course the government level is quite more extreme in nature as it affects the entire country on such a grand scale, and Guantanamo is obviously by far worse). I think the parallels are quite interesting and surely alarming.

And more than coincidental. I don't know who all is connected w/ HLA, CEDU, Palmer, Teen Challenge etc. but Straight, Inc. definitely went after the military brass agressively, especially in Virginia. I know of two Str8 vets that both did tours of duty in Guantanamo and Abu Graib. We also know they were doing medical research pretty openly by the mid 80's because they had an official director of medical research named Richard Schwartz. And I know this faction of the broader cult had great influence in DC as far back as `84 because Reagan appointed a totally unqualified Str8 parent, Donald Ian MacDonald, as head of the ONDCP in `87. Here's his biographical sketch showing the progression from joining that cult in Clearwater to a catapult to the halls of power in just a couple of short years:
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/s ... 20287c.htm

Yeah, I'd say the powers that be know very well that they're using the same methods on enemy combatants as they do to stepfordize their own kids. What's more, I think they believe with full faith that they're doing the right thing. That's the scary part, that's why they'll torment us without end cause they do so with the leave of their own conscience.

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I'm really not against capitalism in general, there just needs to be some kind of balance and more ethics investigations on everything. For the government to set it up to give the people more freedom and then allow all of the unethical behavior to go unnoticed, it goes right back to being harmful for society. The fact that corporate lobbyists have so much power over government and policy is most certainly destructive.

The best and most effective means of investigating anything is for the end consumer to do their own investigation. Few people do that anymore because, for generations now, we've labored under the illusion that some certification, licensing or other big brother agency is doing all the checking for is. These agencies and organizations, however well intended, are just not capable of making sound, sane consumer choices on a case by case basis as they need to be made. All they really accomplish is to concentrate that power into a few hands, which are always out for a gift from the lobbyists and to use that power to squeeze out any competition to their own cronies.

I saw this play out when I was a young struggling mother. In Florida, daycare was not seriously regulated when my eldest was a baby. It took me about 5 tries to find really good, affordable day-care for her, but it did exist. Seven years later, after a few years of Hillary's help, all the mom-n-pop operations had been put out of business. KinderCare was just about the only game in town. They SUCKED! Oh, sure they had the proper kind of flooring and wall treatments and the required square footage and certifications and licenses and all that bullshit. But there is no requirement anywhere in all that regulation for the people who work there to be people of quality who enjoy children and are good at taking care of them and keeping them happy and civil. And it cost over half my paycheck to use their services. But, of course, there's a safety net built into the whole Stalinist dream. One could sign up for income based child care through a county office, go on a six week waiting list and be assigned a daycare slot on the other side of the county for about what I had been paying for really good day care in our own neighborhood.

We have reached a point in our society where most people are domesticated like farm animals. They lack the natural instincts, habits and skills to look out for their own interests or those of their own young.
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Re: STUDENTS/STAFF from Hidden Lake Fucked up school
« Reply #161 on: September 30, 2008, 12:02:37 AM »
Hey Everyone, your posts have been so helpful lately. If anyone has been keeping up with the message board lately, they know I am a former employee of HLA. I have discussed some details with previous employers and professors in detail about advice. I have someone suggesting looking into the Division of Youth Services in Georgia. Any advice if this is appropriate or good? Also, and wrote an Email with details about what made me leave the school and my professor is forwarding it on to the Ethics chair Head in New Jersey for more advice and hopefully a reference of this chair head in GA. My professor told me this woman actually just published an article about therapeutic boarding schools and their inefficacy. More input would be helpful, thank you.
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« Reply #162 on: October 31, 2008, 03:19:34 AM »
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Hey buddy, I think I recognize your style. How ya been?

I haven't posted on here in a pretty long time so you're probably thinking of someone else?
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« Reply #164 on: November 13, 2009, 12:57:14 PM »
I accidently said that the torture interrogation methods employed at places like Guantanamo affect the entire country... I meant world, lol.  (That was clearly a ridiculous mistake because those places aren't even in the US, and because that wouldn't only affect citizens of a single country.)
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