STUDENTS/STAFF from Hidden Lake Fucked up school

[RobertBruce]

"Got any more?"

Looks like we do.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-16 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I just read an article done by law students at Brigham Young University discussing state regulation of private schools. In the article, they mention that only 26 states out of 50 require some sort of licensing or accredition as mandatory for a private school to operate. Of the others, Georgia is mentioned as only requiring the school to obtain a business license, which, Hidden Lake Academy has. I checked the Georgia Secretary of State website to verify that. Other than that, every other website on the topic I found seems to lead one to believe that accredition and licensing of private schools in the state of Georgia is voluntary and other than basic education requirements needing to be met by the school, everything else is up to the accrediting organization or the health dept to monitor. "

All true, however GA does have requirements for its Theraputic Boarding Schools.

Ones HLA has not followed.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-16 21:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"****According to this website Georgia has no regulations requiring private schools to be licensed or accredited.



Is that surprising.... afterall, it is Ga.



****According to the Dept of Education for Georgia website they do require schools to provide a basic education in all main subjects and have students attend at least 180 days a year.



Given the intelligence level of the parents HLA deals with... it will probably never cross their minds to ask who monitors the therapeutic aspect of the program. Kudos. You guys are really just brilliant!! You did really good for yourselves. So much for the kids. "

What did you think HLA ever gave a shit about the kids? Hell no Buchi's favorite song is "It must be the money."

[SHH Anon Classics]

I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes.

1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc.

2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons.

3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state.

4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit.

5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising.

6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated.

7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there.
 
:cool: And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you.

[Anonymous]

Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?

Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?

[RobertBruce]

" I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes."

What was twisted around?

"1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc."

That is not a backround check, again how we do these ones arent fooling Buchi like the others did.

"3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state. "

HLA is unlicensed weve gone over this time and again. HLA is not licesened as a theraputic boarding school when in fact they should be. Are you going to try and argue that they arent a theraputic boarding school?

I would love to hear that argument.


"4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit. "

Susie no one cares. You keep going on about this point that does not matter. The way you portray yourself on here is how you are percieved, thus you are a bullfrog.

"5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising. "

Again you have shown your own level of intelligence. You make stupid arguments, you evade topics you dont like, you call us liars and then when we do the same to you, you claim youre being attacked, you get painted into a corner and throw a pity party for yourself and try to manipulate the situation, and you are unwilling to back up any of your own statements.

How do you expect us to percieve you?

"6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated. "

Okay let me give you an idea of how your theory would hold up in a court of law.

Attorney: Devin at what point did you meet Mrs. Gray?

Devin: Ive never met her before today, while at HLA I didnt even know Bill was married.

Judge: Wait youre saying that you had never spoken to her while at HLA?

Devin: Thats correct your honor.

Judge: Well Mrs. Gray can you prove that youve met the boy prior to today? If not youll have to provide some other way of showing how you got his information.

Mrs. Gray:.....

Marty: Say something Susie.

Mrs. Gray: LMAO I can't be here right now. I have to take care of TWO disabled family members! DUH! Do you really think HLA would be accredited by the Georgia Southern Schools Association.

Judge: Answer the quesition mam'm your pratteling has nothing to do with the question.

Mrs. Gray: Stop telling half-truthas and exagerating! You havent been there in years, it's different now.

Judge: Baliffs restrain her.

And that about sums it up. Do you see the problem now? All Devin has to say is he never met you, and your explination is shot to hell. Espically since you cant prove you two ever really met, the only other way you would have gotten his information is from the student files which you had access to.

"7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there. "

How do you know? You claimed he was only there for three months, yet according to him that is not the case at all. So how do you know you are correct on the dates? You dont know because you never met the kid, he says so himself. You cant back out of this Susie.

"And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you."

Youve known him longer than me yes, better no. You forget I never succombed to the same brainwashing techniques that you did. His only goal has ever been to steal has much money as possible with as little overhead as he can get away with. Also you claim that because in your mind HLA is such a mixture of different approaches you cant call it one thing over another. If thats the case why then does HLA tell the state its a traditional boarding school?

Get back to me on that one Susie.

Also I love how you still cant provide a real basis for why you randomly chose that student to believe was me. Afterall there had to be some connection in your mind. Lets hear it.

[RobertBruce]

Whoops forgot to shoot down this one.

"2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons. "

Who assumed anything Mrs. Gray? I told you I neither knew nor cared why you got divorced. I told you if I had to guess it would be that you slept with a vagrant and fatass kicked you out. But thats just a guess, and one designed to goad you, nothing more.

[SHH Anon Classics]

Ok heres my list of replies to your misleading answers:

1) You made the statement about me sleeping around and bill kicking me out and I responded that you assume alot. Any of those comments have what do to with the topic at hand??? Nothing. Why do you insist on going there then?

2) You said looking up the staff wasnt a background check. I never said it was. I said you could go to their website and look up what degrees they had, etc. And by the way both background checks and random drug testing are performed by the school, and were before I left also.

3)I have read many many websites about what Georgia requires and doesnt require, and I do not see anything that would suggest that the school is operating illegally based on what I have read or what I know. Therefore your statement that they operate illegally doesnt hold water. In addition, lawmakers are well aware of the school's status as well as the local county and board of education and not a single one has come forward to suggest that the school should be shut down. So what does that tell you Mr. Bruce? Tells me its operating legally.

4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?

5)There is no pity party for myself. I have no pity for anybody on this board except you. My point in that statement was to bring up the fact that while I do not make it personal, you do.

6) Regarding the name of the student issue, just because the kid doesnt remember me has no weight whatsoever in a court of law. I remembered him, I never said we were "formally" introduced. He might not have known who I was when we met. It doesnt matter though, because I dont have to prove what I remember from memory. Its my memory, period. Its sort of a he said she said situation and once again, I have done nothing illegal whatsoever. I didnt gain his name from any file at all. I remembered it because that is my son's name (as I keep saying) and that is why it stuck in my mind. YOu keep asking me this and I keep telling you, I guess it just won't sink in.

7) I never claimed that the kid was there 3 months, I made up a number of months as a guess because I didnt think he was at the school that long from what I remembered.

:cool:you don't know what Dr. B's goals are. If it was money why did he shell out a ton of his OWN money to start the school? why did he tear down the old bldgs and build new bldgs in their place that were more comfortable and had prettier views and spaces if he didn't care about the students? NOne of that is cheap Mr. Bruce. I don't believe the school turned a profit for the first 5 or 6 yrs it existed. If his only goal was to make money I am sure there are much cheaper and easier ways to do it.

I think that is all the responses, but if I missed one I AM SURE you will point it out.

[RobertBruce]

"1) You made the statement about me sleeping around and bill kicking me out and I responded that you assume alot. Any of those comments have what do to with the topic at hand??? Nothing. Why do you insist on going there then? "

I dont you keep bringing it up, Im glad the issue is dropped now so we can focus on the more important illegal aspects of HLA. As you are not that important.

"2) You said looking up the staff wasnt a background check. I never said it was. I said you could go to their website and look up what degrees they had, etc. And by the way both background checks and random drug testing are performed by the school, and were before I left also. "

If thats the case then why would Buchi as you claim have ever been fooled by staff members with bogus degrees and people who routinley abused children both physicaly and sexually.


"3)I have read many many websites about what Georgia requires and doesnt require, and I do not see anything that would suggest that the school is operating illegally based on what I have read or what I know. Therefore your statement that they operate illegally doesnt hold water. In addition, lawmakers are well aware of the school's status as well as the local county and board of education and not a single one has come forward to suggest that the school should be shut down. So what does that tell you Mr. Bruce? Tells me its operating legally. "

Susie we could fill a library with the things you dont know.

Just give me a simple yes or no answer. Is HLA a theraputic boarding school?

If it is why isnt it licesned as one?

If its not what is it and why is therapy such a major part of not just addmission but day to day life at the school?

Lets see if you cant answer that simple question.

I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?

Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?

[RobertBruce]

"4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not? "

Consenting single adults? What do I care about who he sleeps with? Not that Id take your word on anything concerning him. Remember how you went on and on about a big mac incident that you claimed almost got him fired, yet the incident was pulled directly from your ass and nothing concerning anything to do with what you were talking about ever happened to him. Remember that Mrs. Gray?

Further you have discussed at great length how much time you spent on campus during that point. Why wouldnt he have seen you. Im willing to bet he did and his description is right on, but again you arent important here Mrs. Gray and your looks dont matter. Lets focus on the things that do.

"5)There is no pity party for myself. I have no pity for anybody on this board except you. My point in that statement was to bring up the fact that while I do not make it personal, you do. "

You dont throw pity parties for yourself? How about just attempted guilt trips? How many times have you reminded us on here how you take care of TWO disabled family members? How many times Mrs. Gray? And why would you feel pity for me? Is it because I had to attend that child abusing institute? Dont worry bullfrog justice is being served. Oh can you explain to me how you refering to me as a "dipshit" isnt making it personal? :grin:

"6) Regarding the name of the student issue, just because the kid doesnt remember me has no weight whatsoever in a court of law. I remembered him, I never said we were "formally" introduced. He might not have known who I was when we met. It doesnt matter though, because I dont have to prove what I remember from memory. Its my memory, period. Its sort of a he said she said situation and once again, I have done nothing illegal whatsoever. I didnt gain his name from any file at all. I remembered it because that is my son's name (as I keep saying) and that is why it stuck in my mind. YOu keep asking me this and I keep telling you, I guess it just won't sink in. "

You really think so? If the kid doesnt remember you and claims he never met you, then youve got to provide another source for your information. You cant prove that you ever met him. So the only other source would be the student files, which you had access to. Releasing that information of course would be illegal. Now since you never met the kid what other explination can you offer? None.

Espically since you keep dodging the question concerning how you came to the concluscion that he and I were the same person. I know you dont want to answer that question because you dont have a bullshit explination available for it but the facts about your illegal actions remain the same. You are going to suffer the consequences. Is it sinking in?

You never met the kid and you got the information from a student file. Everyone knows this, youre the only one who believes your lies.

Remember Ive spoken to Devin, you havent..ever.

"7) I never claimed that the kid was there 3 months, I made up a number of months as a guess because I didnt think he was at the school that long from what I remembered. "

Actualy you did. Please refute this and have me post the link to the exact comment you made in which you claimed that I was Devin and I had been there for three months. Further you arent answering the original question. If you arent sure of the dates of the time he spent there how can you know for sure that you werent working during that time?

"you don't know what Dr. B's goals are. If it was money why did he shell out a ton of his OWN money to start the school? why did he tear down the old bldgs and build new bldgs in their place that were more comfortable and had prettier views and spaces if he didn't care about the students? NOne of that is cheap Mr. Bruce. I don't believe the school turned a profit for the first 5 or 6 yrs it existed. If his only goal was to make money I am sure there are much cheaper and easier ways to do it. "

Oh my how generous of him. Buchi supplied the students with better than substandard living conditions. What a saint. And youre right 80,000 dollars is reasonable when the amenities for the students include.......?

Shoot maybe you could list them off for me Susie.

He has only ever cared about the money, never the students.

"I think that is all the responses, but if I missed one I AM SURE you will point it out. "

Just still the same questions you keep evading.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-17 11:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Susie,

Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?

Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?



Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?

How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?

"

Hes posted this question to you how many times now Susie?

Why cant you answer him?

[Troll Control]

"4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?"

Geez, lady, how you do stretch it (or pile it deeply, as it were)...

You say you "guess" I got my information from "pillow talk" and then use your admitted "guess" as bedrock fact to draw the conclusion that what I say is "hearsay"?  That's some really twisted logic.  I can see you've never been in debate club (or had any education on philosophy no doubt).

Let me just say a few things:  

I have detailed what my role at HLA was many times before and anyone can look up my previous posts.  I was involved in all of the planning meetings with all of the executive staff (your tubby hubby included).  I was regularly consulted on policy and I wrote the employee manual.  

I worked every day and many overnights/weekends with the kids in groups and one-on-one time outside of programmed activities (taking them fishing, going for hikes with my dog, shooting the shit about baseball, playing football and all kinds of other normal things kids like to do).  I certainly do know what went on there.  

You, however, I must reiterate, NEVER attended any meetings, NEVER worked with any children, NEVER saw a group, NEVER taught a class, and NEVER had any involvement with HLA other than licking some envelopes and stamps.  

You also did not work there when I did, so your basis for drawing any conclusions about what I did or did not do is pretty tenuous and could ONLY be hearsay (like the story you made up about me nearly getting fired over a "hamburger incident" - this never happened and has absolutely no connection to reality).

I might also add that you were married to a staffer, so it might be a more logical conclusion that YOU rather than I, learned what little you know from "pillow talk."

That being said, I did have good relationships with many staffers and spent a lot of my personal time with some of them (and yes, did get it on with a few of the female staff- so what?).  I lived in Buckhead in Atlanta and many of my coworkers would come down to go out to the bars or concerts or Braves/Falcons games and the like.  Yes, I did learn a lot of tangential information from these events, but nothing from which I would initiate debate over policy and procedure - we talked more about particular kids and what was going on with them, not other staff - aside from the fact that almost none of these folks were in the same meetings/job function as I.  

I certainly have enough first-hand knowledge to shoot holes through youe feeble-minded "arguments."

You need to get a life, Mrs. Gray.  Seriously.

[RobertBruce]

On 2005-11-17 12:23:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

""4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?"



Geez, lady, how you do stretch it (or pile it deeply, as it were)...



You say you "guess" I got my information from "pillow talk" and then use your admitted "guess" as bedrock fact to draw the conclusion that what I say is "hearsay"?  That's some really twisted logic.  I can see you've never been in debate club (or had any education on philosophy no doubt).



Let me just say a few things:  



I have detailed what my role at HLA was many times before and anyone can look up my previous posts.  I was involved in all of the planning meetings with all of the executive staff (your tubby hubby included).  I was regularly consulted on policy and I wrote the employee manual.  



I worked every day and many overnights/weekends with the kids in groups and one-on-one time outside of programmed activities (taking them fishing, going for hikes with my dog, shooting the shit about baseball, playing football and all kinds of other normal things kids like to do).  I certainly do know what went on there.  



You, however, I must reiterate, NEVER attended any meetings, NEVER worked with any children, NEVER saw a group, NEVER taught a class, and NEVER had any involvement with HLA other than licking some envelopes and stamps.  



You also did not work there when I did, so your basis for drawing any conclusions about what I did or did not do is pretty tenuous and could ONLY be hearsay (like the story you made up about me nearly getting fired over a "hamburger incident" - this never happened and has absolutely no connection to reality).



I might also add that you were married to a staffer, so it might be a more logical conclusion that YOU rather than I, learned what little you know from "pillow talk."



That being said, I did have good relationships with many staffers and spent a lot of my personal time with some of them (and yes, did get it on with a few of the female staff- so what?).  I lived in Buckhead in Atlanta and many of my coworkers would come down to go out to the bars or concerts or Braves/Falcons games and the like.  Yes, I did learn a lot of tangential information from these events, but nothing from which I would initiate debate over policy and procedure - we talked more about particular kids and what was going on with them, not other staff - aside from the fact that almost none of these folks were in the same meetings/job function as I.  



I certainly have enough first-hand knowledge to shoot holes through youe feeble-minded "arguments."



You need to get a life, Mrs. Gray.  Seriously.


"

hehehe git her paw.

[SHH Anon Classics]

Steve everything you just posted is what you TELL us you did at the school. I for a fact know that you were not as important as you claimed to be, and in fact worked there for less than a year in the very beginning and when you left there were less than 40 students at the school. I also know for a fact that some of what you claim to have accomplished at the school, per your posts, is false. So tell me Steve, who is lying? It's not me.