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« on: October 02, 2005, 12:06:00 AM »
Early this year (2003) I vacationed in Jamaica. I had heard the stories and had spoken to some press that were investigating the issues. My curiosity was somewhat peaked, and since I was staying in Jamaica for about a week, I decided to hire a driver and see, for myself, what this facility looks like. My experience and the pictures I personally took of the facility are available for the asking. For those interested in an abridged version - - here it goes:

First and foremost, you must understand that this place is in the middle of nowhere. It's a shock to travel Jamaica's countryside to begin with, because driving in general is so dangerous, away from the resorts (I happened to be staying in Ocho Rios) and the poverty is omnipresent. The city (Treasure Beach) is as remote as it gets, and when you arrive and ask where Tranquility Bay is (or to it's local folk the "Olde Warf Hotel"), you are outrightly lied to -- they say they don't know exactly where it is. Once you arrive in town, past the Motorcycle merchant, look for an old Jamaican (looks to be 300 or so) sitting on a rock, for it is at that dirt road you have to turn and follow a path about a half-mile long to the rather un-glorious "Tranquility Bay".

My first awareness that I was in the right place, was that I saw 10 or 20 boys riding on the rim of an old Pick-up Truck in front of us. They all looked unkempt and the ride looked dangerous. They were allowed inside the gates (the children and the dilapidated truck) and I had the driver stop so I could take in this nightmare, that I had only previously read about or had seen by way of very unclear pictures on the internet.

It's bad -- the first thing that catches your eye is that all of the windows (99%) have been "boarded-up". It hales from something out of a Hitchcock movie. The place has an odor and it is not pleasant at all. The beach could never be utilized because it looks as though the sewage is emptied on it regularly. If that's not the case, then a blanket statement that the beach is in horrible and unusable condition for whatever reason is a completely fair assessment of the situation.

The place has guards; it's ominously quiet (it was while I was there). Even if you did manage to escape, I don't know where any of its "guests" would run to. The trip just to the main road (if you could call it that) would wind even the most fit athlete, and the townspeople are rumored to get rewards for turning run-a-ways in. Remember that many Jamaicans work for the facility and even if the reward does not exist, they have a stake in making sure the "guests" stay imprisoned.

Obviously, I could not go inside, but I snapped many pictures and they clearly illustrate, that the place is a broken-down second-rate motel from the past, and should have been leveled many years ago, and that any beauty that the structure or the beach on which it sits may have once possessed is gone. It's a frightening site (and this is just from the outside). Notably, there is garbage in large cages outside the structure and I did have the feeling that something or someone, other than it's intended contents, may be placed in there from time-to-time.

Interestingly, I was not approached, although I was taking pictures like crazy (and my presence was somewhat obvious).

Another important fact, for people to keep in mind, is that this "hell-hole" is hours from both Kingston and Montego Bay Airports -- it's a drive you will never forget and it runs upwards of $300 round-trip.

Truly, all of this is moot, because the Headmaster (and I use this reference loosely) has no credentials at all which justify his position of management over this facility. The parents are bad parents -- plain and simple -- for taking part in this plan. An inquiry about this program by any parent, by itself, should result in a parent being jailed with no due process for the rest of their life.

Eventually, the United States Government will have to deal with this mess -- hopefully by invading Utah again -- it is time for that (government intervention) -- they have short memories from the last time (The Invasion of Utah.) Utah's inhabitance (and others) need desperately to come to terms with the fact that troubled children are a part of normal life and that having them kidnapped by paid morons (mostly because the parents are too cowardly to do this themselves) and then surreptitiously smuggling their child/children off to a foreign country to be tortured indefinitely is contrary to the mores and values of a civilized society.

Do not send your kids to this place! It's awful to look at, the manager is unqualified and all your doing is stuffing the bulging coffers of the nuts and religious fanatics that run these torture chambers.

Richard R. Titsch, III
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2005, 01:23:00 AM »
Really?  Don't know where you were, but it wasn't Tranquility Bay!  You've got quite an imagination. What's your agenda Mr.Tisch? Who are you?
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 01:25:00 AM »
Mr.Tisch won't be answering you, I found this letter searching on the web.  :wave:
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 03:23:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-01 22:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Really?  Don't know where you were, but it wasn't Tranquility Bay!  You've got quite an imagination. What's your agenda Mr.Tisch? Who are you?  "


If you searched around a bit, you'd find Mr Titsch's "agenda": to spread awareness about the horrors of TB and the human rights violation that happen there.

Your agenda also seems very clear: to support those who perpetuate the abuse and rights violations and who turn children's lives into a living hell. Shame on you, WWASPie.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2006, 08:38:00 PM »
That's horrible.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2006, 01:24:00 AM »
Isn't  Mr. Titsch a friend of Sue Scheff's at PURE? That's what I heard. May not be true, tho.
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2006, 01:45:00 AM »
Who gives a flying rats ass if he is? You people just cannot give it up, can you? What a bunch of morons. Even your own here beg you to stop already, but you just can't because you are obsessed. Any of you who call yourselves advocates, shame on you. Shame on you!
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2006, 08:06:00 PM »
What does the word "advocate" mean in the context of the subject matter of this forum?
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2006, 10:02:00 PM »
Straw Man
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2006, 10:27:00 PM »
Your mom's a straw man....lol.

No, seriously- just what do ppl mean when they use this word?
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2006, 11:05:00 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument

Basically - a fake. A pretender. A poser - used to deflect and confuse an issue. Also, a fake, as in a person of pretended power; ability, education and so on - who really has none of the above. A figure head kind of thing - only when you say Straw man - you infer they are disposable - unlike the all important figure head. When you are done with a straw man, you can burn him. You need not  offer severance pay or anything of the kind.

A straw man argument is putting words in your opponents mouth your opponent didn't say - to make your opponent look to be making a poor argument. Happens in politics all the time.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2006, 11:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-11 19:27:00, Frank Discussion wrote:

Your mom's a straw man....lol.

No, seriously- just what do ppl mean when they use this word?

I was referring to the word "advocate" not "straw man" ..but thanks just the same.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2006, 08:22:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-11 19:27:00, Frank Discussion wrote:

Your mom's a straw man....lol.

No, seriously- just what do ppl mean when they use this word?


I was referring to the word "advocate" not "straw man" ..but thanks just the same.

What is an "advocate"?
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2006, 09:36:00 AM »
1 : one that pleads the cause of another; specifically : one that pleads the cause of another before a tribunal or judicial court
2 : one that defends or maintains a cause or proposal
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