Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?

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On 2005-10-01 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since when does a boarding school clothe the kids?  Don't think so!

Emotional Growth Schools are just that- schools that feed, educate and attend to the emotional growth of the students.  There are many programs that do not severely punish the kids for minor offenses.  There are often good therapeutic reasons for limiting contact with the families. The family dynamics have been destroyed and there is a re-building process.  

Dysfunction and Nihil- do you guys have a purpose in life?"

What kind of stupid question is that?

Name the programs that you think are good ones.  Let's begin there.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-10-01 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since when does a boarding school clothe the kids?  Don't think so!

Well, I don't know what's included with today's tuitions, but boarding schools in New England in the 70s and 80s included the uniform in the tuition.  Since you were required to wear the school uniform, you're essentially clothed by the school, no?

Emotional Growth Schools are just that- schools that feed, educate and attend to the emotional growth of the students.  There are many programs that do not severely punish the kids for minor offenses.  There are often good therapeutic reasons for limiting contact with the families. The family dynamics have been destroyed and there is a re-building process.  

Dysfunction and Nihil- do you guys have a purpose in life?"

Then why is it that most of these programs are severely lacking in the "education" department?  What do you suppose it does to a kid who's supposedly "Graduated", and they hit the real world to find out their "Diploma" is worthless since these "Schools" aren't accredited?  

The best "Emotional Growth" is the real world.  

And before you ask me what my purpose in life is - I have lots of them, but I don't see how they're relevant to this forum, unless you just want to get into a pissing match... if that's the case, I'll be here all evening - tip  your bartenders and waitresses. :smile:

[Anonymous]

I know of one, Hidden Lake Academy, that includes their uniform clothing in their tuition and fees. It might be a separate charge along with tuition, but they provide the shirts and pants for the kids and the sweatshirts and rain jackets too so I heard.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-01 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know of one, Hidden Lake Academy, that includes their uniform clothing in their tuition and fees. It might be a separate charge along with tuition, but they provide the shirts and pants for the kids and the sweatshirts and rain jackets too so I heard."

HLA may not be as brutal as some of the other programs, but it is still far, far from "good". Do your research. It's pretty bad, actually-- it's a CEDU off-shoot that uses the same confrontational techniques as many of the more notorious BM warehouses.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-01 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since when does a boarding school clothe the kids?  Don't think so!

Emotional Growth Schools are just that- schools that feed, educate and attend to the emotional growth of the students.  There are many programs that do not severely punish the kids for minor offenses.  There are often good therapeutic reasons for limiting contact with the families. The family dynamics have been destroyed and there is a re-building process.  

Dysfunction and Nihil- do you guys have a purpose in life?"

Emotional Growth is a term invented by the teen help industry for the purpose of capitalizing (profiteering) on the trend in America to label children who can not or will not meet their parents expectations/demands as EMOTIONALLY defective and/or inefficient.

It's a racket, plain and simple.

Parents who buy into this are looking for an excuse to force a label on their children that makes the child (and not them) inferior.

Once labeled with a disorder, the parent can feel good about "treating" their child with behavior modification drugs like Ritalin/Adderal OR in they are teens, shipping them off to an "emotional growth" school.

 :smokin:

[TheWho]

Defining a "good" school, I guess is relative, depending on what you are looking for.  A school which will allow a student to excel academically may be one persons definition.  A school that will keep a child safe from themselves or safe from their family may be another definition and not particulary caring if it is accredited for academics at that point if the first and foremost neccessity is to remove the child from his or her Environment to keep them safe.  Once the child is stabalized in a safe place, the academics and emotional growth aspects can be looked at more closely and the child may be transfered.  But sometimes decisions have to be made very quickly and there may not be time to choose the best option.

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-01 06:04:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2005-09-30 16:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-09-30 10:53:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:




There are SO MANY "struggling parents" out there that a certain percentage are shiftless, gullible, idealistic, lazy, have money and will buy a program.  Remember, "program kids" represent only a tiny fraction of all kids.


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I agree and its refreshing to hear, so the majority of "Struggling Parents" are doing the right thing, resolving their issues at home, therapy etc., and a small fraction who have exhausted all other options (or girls at the bar) will send their kids to a TBS in hopes they will be saved.  Thank you , it seems to be all to common to bash the Struggling parents"."

How one responds to adversity is a direct measure of one's character.  Believe me when I tell you, there is NOBODY on this board who vilifies "Struggling Parents" who have dug in and fought for their children's lives.  



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I agree , I dont believe many parents would put a 2nd mortgage on their house, take a second job etc, if they didnt care about their child(ren).  If the parent was a creep they would pocket the money and toss the kid out without any therapy or means to support his or herself.

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On 2005-10-01 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know of one, Hidden Lake Academy, that includes their uniform clothing in their tuition and fees. It might be a separate charge along with tuition, but they provide the shirts and pants for the kids and the sweatshirts and rain jackets too so I heard."

Negative.  I worked there and there are no uniforms.  You heard wrong.  Besides, an extra charge means they DIDN'T provide anything.

As an aside, many of HLA's staff are abusive animals.  The shiny wrapper hides a worm-eaten apple.

What other programs that you have experienced - not "heard about" - do you view as "good"?

[Anonymous]

I didnt say it was a good school, I said uniform clothing was provided by the school as part of the cost of the place. I was only commenting on clothing being provided. And they do have uniforms. I know someone who worked there recently and they have golf shirts with the school's name and khaki pants for the students, and in winter they have sweatshirts with the school's name. I think the parents provided socks, underwear, coats, and shoes, etc. Maybe when you worked there they hadn't started the uniforms yet?

[Anonymous]

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/images/fine_a18.jpg


that is a picture of the supposedly non-existant uniform shirt.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure this kid would be thrilled to know you're posting her picture here.

Anyway, my kid was there for two years.  They did have the golf shirts and khaki pants which the parents had to pay extra for. The kids didn't have to wear those clothes all the time, though.

[Anonymous]

As thrilled as she was when HLA posted it for the world to view. What's the big deal?
The kids are required to wear the uniforms when leaving and returning to campus. Great advertising.
Whether the uniforms are a seperate fee or it's rolled into tuition, the parent always pays. Programs may seperate different charges for tax purposes etc, but rest assured, the program pays for nothing out of their own pocket, ever. All costs are passed to the parent one way or another.

[Anonymous]

That picture is on a public website. She doesnt have to give her permission to have it posted on this website. She already gave her permission to have it posted on the net so it's free for the taking (or cut and pasting)

[Nihilanthic]

On 2005-10-01 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Defining a "good" school, I guess is relative, depending on what you are looking for.  A school which will allow a student to excel academically may be one persons definition.  A school that will keep a child safe from themselves or safe from their family may be another definition and not particulary caring if it is accredited for academics at that point if the first and foremost neccessity is to remove the child from his or her Environment to keep them safe.  Once the child is stabalized in a safe place, the academics and emotional growth aspects can be looked at more closely and the child may be transfered.  But sometimes decisions have to be made very quickly and there may not be time to choose the best option."

So fucking up, and blowing a few hundred words of smoke to say "its okay to make mistakes, if youre a PARENT", and then saying "we have to stand by our decision" when they find out they fucked up is what they should do, right?

Now, as far as having the child stabalized[sic] in a safe place... uh... if they're in actual danger from others, the police are responsible for that. If theyre in danger of themselves, then you need a DOCTOR, and an actual facility with professionals, not a program thats geared towards engendering conformity and submission, and I have yet to see a PROGRAM that does not do that!

So yeah, it IS a relative thing. Some people's idea of 'safety' is isolation from the rest of the world and just as long as the child isn't 'deadinsaneorinjaa-aa-aa-aa-aail' its okay that they do whatever they want to the kid, including engineering a facade of a 'magical child' who is the parents 'little kid' and burying the real problem underneith it all to only be re-exposed when the program bullshit wears off after a few years.

And, all of what I said is moot when the fact that MOST of these kids are not in danger in the first place is taken into account. But hey, when youre selling a program, you dont WANT to tell people they dont need it, do you? Nope, you want scared parents who are convinced they need to put their child (and money) in the hands of the business owners.

If there is a God, he is a malign thug.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-10-02 03:39 ]

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On 2005-10-01 15:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/images/fine_a18.jpg





that is a picture of the supposedly non-existant uniform shirt."

I didn't realize that a pullover polo was considered a "uniform" these days.  That's a pretty sad "uniform" in any case.  Nonetheless, you pay extra for it - it's not "provided."