More Kids in Chains

[Nihilanthic]

Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.

Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.

That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.

Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?

Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.

Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.

Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-03 02:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.


Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.



That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.



Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?



Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.



Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.



Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

"

Seems the "jackass" here is you.  You want everyone to only listen to and believe those whose stories match up with what you believe.  And anyone whose has a different story, anyone who claims to have been helped - well they are ridiculed, sworn at, and called names.

You didn't experience any of this - so why exactly are you only able to believe the people that say they had bad experiences?  Why is it so impossible that SOME people may have been helped like they say?

And before you start in on your yelling, swearing, and name-calling, please note I NEVER said that the people who claimed to be abused were lying or that they weren't abused.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-03 04:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 02:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


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Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.



Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.





That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.





Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?





Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.





Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.





Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

"

Seems the "jackass" here is you.  You want everyone to only listen to and believe those whose stories match up with what you believe.  And anyone whose has a different story, anyone who claims to have been helped - well they are ridiculed, sworn at, and called names.



You didn't experience any of this - so why exactly are you only able to believe the people that say they had bad experiences?  Why is it so impossible that SOME people may have been helped like they say?



And before you start in on your yelling, swearing, and name-calling, please note I NEVER said that the people who claimed to be abused were lying or that they weren't abused.  



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WEAK women as the head of the household.
When my dad left,my mother and two sisters were only concerned with thier new found vaginal freedom and grandmother looking on with aproval.
OF COURSE the only boy in the family got the shit end of the stick.
One sister married a drunk and he promptly moved in to the small house and took over the master bedroom (of out cracker box house) and left me and my mom sleeping in the living room,the other sister shacked up with a 100LB per week pot dealer and he would drop by once a week to kick me around with my sisters drunk husband and empty the refridgerater of MY food (dad making loads of money and paying $20 per week in support.
I kind of got in the way so the Straightlike program was where they sent me.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-03 04:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 04:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-10-03 02:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:



"

Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.




Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.







That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.







Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?







Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.







Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.







Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

"

Seems the "jackass" here is you.  You want everyone to only listen to and believe those whose stories match up with what you believe.  And anyone whose has a different story, anyone who claims to have been helped - well they are ridiculed, sworn at, and called names.





You didn't experience any of this - so why exactly are you only able to believe the people that say they had bad experiences?  Why is it so impossible that SOME people may have been helped like they say?





And before you start in on your yelling, swearing, and name-calling, please note I NEVER said that the people who claimed to be abused were lying or that they weren't abused.  





"

WEAK women as the head of the household.

When my dad left,my mother and two sisters were only concerned with thier new found vaginal freedom and grandmother looking on with aproval.

OF COURSE the only boy in the family got the shit end of the stick.

One sister married a drunk and he promptly moved in to the small house and took over the master bedroom (of out cracker box house) and left me and my mom sleeping in the living room,the other sister shacked up with a 100LB per week pot dealer and he would drop by once a week to kick me around with my sisters drunk husband and empty the refridgerater of MY food (dad making loads of money and paying $20 per week in support.

I kind of got in the way so the Straightlike program was where they sent me.

"

Why does it have to be women? Couldn't it simply be a weak, single parent home? I could easily see it happening with a weak-willed single father as well. Women get the blame simply because they are normally the ones left with the kids.

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-03 02:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"

Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.


Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.



That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.



Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?



Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.



Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.



Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

"

Niles -- your assumtions are what is killing you.  You know nothing about the family or their situation, nor who or how badly they were at risk.
The assumptions you made about me are way off.  I know plenty of people who have been in programs.  I can tell you are passionate about what you believe in, but you seem to get blinded by it sometimes and overlook the facts or fail to understand a post before reponding.
Sorry old fellow, just the way I see them.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-03 18:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 04:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-10-03 04:23:00, Anonymous wrote:



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On 2005-10-03 02:22:00, Nihilanthic wrote:




"

Wow how do you know all that?  You must live next door to those people, the article never stated any of that.





Households get in trouble. sometimes the parents are in trouble and sometimes its the kids or a combination.  Typically They all need help, its a family problem, sometimes family members need to be removed to work on their own issues independently, sometimes they need to seek counseling as a group or both.  But you cant just read a story and pretend to know and just blame the kid or blame the parent."

Blah, blah, fucking blah.









That has what to do with the fact that when a kid is kidnapped off to a TBS/RTS/Program/Camp/WHATEVER, that its not HELP for the kid, its not "working on issues", it not room to breathe or time out, its a PROGRAM.









Theyre anything but pleasant or time to work on issues, but apparently the only thing that you read are brochures as glossy as the look in your eyes. I mean fuck, a lot of programmies are PROUD of how "tough" all it is. Does that sound like time to work through a god damn thing except survival?









Programs dont give a child space, freedom, love, support, time out, a break, breathing room, any of that crap. Theyre drug in terrified, put through intake, and made to conform, do as told, and go through the fucking LGAs, while mommy and daddy are at home lamenting themselves and being the sole victim as hard as they can.









Ive yet to see a program address issues, baghead. All Ive seen is comformity and submission and obedience. That doesnt help with anything except survival skills for a malevolent dictatorship. I do see the damage from the austere, almost ascetic environment a program has with severe punishment for anything but total obedience and the shit the LGAs do - which is basically just like painting over rust. The real damage (and issue) is still there, but all the parent sees when the kid comes out is obedience... being "just like the little kid I wanted back", and the seminar's bullshit making the kid act happy and obedient to please the parent.









Hey, jackass, why not go talk to Ashley or Perrigaud? Oh, or Helena Handbasket? They've been in programs.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

"

Seems the "jackass" here is you.  You want everyone to only listen to and believe those whose stories match up with what you believe.  And anyone whose has a different story, anyone who claims to have been helped - well they are ridiculed, sworn at, and called names.







You didn't experience any of this - so why exactly are you only able to believe the people that say they had bad experiences?  Why is it so impossible that SOME people may have been helped like they say?







And before you start in on your yelling, swearing, and name-calling, please note I NEVER said that the people who claimed to be abused were lying or that they weren't abused.  







"

WEAK women as the head of the household.


When my dad left,my mother and two sisters were only concerned with thier new found vaginal freedom and grandmother looking on with aproval.


OF COURSE the only boy in the family got the shit end of the stick.


One sister married a drunk and he promptly moved in to the small house and took over the master bedroom (of out cracker box house) and left me and my mom sleeping in the living room,the other sister shacked up with a 100LB per week pot dealer and he would drop by once a week to kick me around with my sisters drunk husband and empty the refridgerater of MY food (dad making loads of money and paying $20 per week in support.


I kind of got in the way so the Straightlike program was where they sent me.


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Why does it have to be women? Couldn't it simply be a weak, single parent home? I could easily see it happening with a weak-willed single father as well. Women get the blame simply because they are normally the ones left with the kids."

Sure.
In my case it was 4 abusing women with new found vaginal freedom.
I am sure there are weak men ruining a family.
I would tend to believe that a young girl in an all male household would be overwhelmed by protection.
Im glad my dad left,but he left me with 4 whores.