Rudy's new job

[wiseup]

[ This Message was edited by: wiseup on 2005-12-26 16:13 ]

[Son Of Serbia]

I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!

I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.

On a personal note:
Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!

Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!
He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.

Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!


.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:

"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!



I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.



On a personal note:

Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!



Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!

He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.



Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!





.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

Well I actually knew Rudy, believe it or not and I have been involved as a parent when he was with Swift River Academy and what you are saying is far from the truth. Anyone who has been part of a program would tell you that if a kid was being ridiculed in front of the school the other kids would not be laughing and cheering.  You just blew your case right there.  The kids were good kids and would not enjoy seeing this happen (maybe thats what makes you different or what makes us disagree).

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-05 16:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:


"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!





I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.





On a personal note:


Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!





Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!


He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.





Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!








.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

Well I actually knew Rudy, believe it or not and I have been involved as a parent when he was with Swift River Academy and what you are saying is far from the truth. Anyone who has been part of a program would tell you that if a kid was being ridiculed in front of the school the other kids would not be laughing and cheering.  You just blew your case right there.  The kids were good kids and would not enjoy seeing this happen (maybe thats what makes you different or what makes us disagree).

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Did you like, skip high school, or something? Of course kids laugh at other kids getting humiliated! ESPECIALLY in high school! It doesn't matter what kind of high school it is, either. Public, private, boarding, behavior mod. Teenagers can be cruel assholes. If kids were being called out for having small dicks in front of the rest of the school, you're damn right other kids would laugh! I probably would have laughed myself when I was that age. That's just the way it is. It doesn't make it right, but let's be realistic, here.

[Anonymous]

Parent, you sound like a fool making such a "sure" statement and sounding quite sure of yourself. Again, I am tired of parents trying to act like they were experts of the inner workings of those schools. Because they got a cookie cutter glimpse of the school and a ton of BS crammed down their throat by human resource facilitators, they suddenly know what happened to us better than we did.

The fact is, these schools evolved as time went on. They started out reflected by how Serb described it (and his dedication to the effects of Emotional Growth schools lends some serious credit to his allegations), and gradually became cushier and cushier. Back in the time Serb knew Rudy, I have no doubt that Rudy was doing the things Serb described. Because quite simply, staff could get away with that. And I do remember my years at BCA well; if staff could still have gotten away with saying something like that in 1999, the students would have roared with laughter.

Just because Rudy couldn't get away with that so recently at ASR, an environment drastically different and utterly incomparable to Running Springs in the 80's, doesn't mean that's the kind of person he was and is.

Get off your ridiculous "parent pedestal". It's getting tiring.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-06 00:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Parent, you sound like a fool making such a "sure" statement and sounding quite sure of yourself. Again, I am tired of parents trying to act like they were experts of the inner workings of those schools. Because they got a cookie cutter glimpse of the school and a ton of BS crammed down their throat by human resource facilitators, they suddenly know what happened to us better than we did.



The fact is, these schools evolved as time went on. They started out reflected by how Serb described it (and his dedication to the effects of Emotional Growth schools lends some serious credit to his allegations), and gradually became cushier and cushier. Back in the time Serb knew Rudy, I have no doubt that Rudy was doing the things Serb described. Because quite simply, staff could get away with that. And I do remember my years at BCA well; if staff could still have gotten away with saying something like that in 1999, the students would have roared with laughter.



Just because Rudy couldn't get away with that so recently at ASR, an environment drastically different and utterly incomparable to Running Springs in the 80's, doesn't mean that's the kind of person he was and is.



Get off your ridiculous "parent pedestal". It's getting tiring. "

If you are referring to me, (the person who made the comment right before yours), I'm not a parent and I don't have kids. I went to RMA in the late 80s, and that was the first comment I've made in this conversation so far.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:

"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!



I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.



On a personal note:

Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!



Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!

He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.



Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!





.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am.  You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program."  That simply doesn't hold water.

I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.  I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality.  There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover.  You are off the mark, lady, way off.

The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-06 00:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 00:05:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Parent, you sound like a fool making such a "sure" statement and sounding quite sure of yourself. Again, I am tired of parents trying to act like they were experts of the inner workings of those schools. Because they got a cookie cutter glimpse of the school and a ton of BS crammed down their throat by human resource facilitators, they suddenly know what happened to us better than we did.





The fact is, these schools evolved as time went on. They started out reflected by how Serb described it (and his dedication to the effects of Emotional Growth schools lends some serious credit to his allegations), and gradually became cushier and cushier. Back in the time Serb knew Rudy, I have no doubt that Rudy was doing the things Serb described. Because quite simply, staff could get away with that. And I do remember my years at BCA well; if staff could still have gotten away with saying something like that in 1999, the students would have roared with laughter.





Just because Rudy couldn't get away with that so recently at ASR, an environment drastically different and utterly incomparable to Running Springs in the 80's, doesn't mean that's the kind of person he was and is.





Get off your ridiculous "parent pedestal". It's getting tiring. "

If you are referring to me, (the person who made the comment right before yours), I'm not a parent and I don't have kids. I went to RMA in the late 80s, and that was the first comment I've made in this conversation so far."

No no, I was referring to that parent who said they had known Rudy at ASR and hadn't had the pleasure of seeing his wicked side. Of course, that MUST mean that Serb, someone who actually had to endure Rudy's tyrades, is wrong, right?

Nah, I completely agree with you...someone must have had to skip high school to think that kids wouldn't laugh their asses off at something like that. "They were all good kids". Bullshit. Most of the kids at BCA during my time were complete assholes and would have found something like that hilarious. I would've laughed too.

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-06 05:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:



"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!







I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.







On a personal note:



Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!







Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!



He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.







Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!











.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am.  You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program."  That simply doesn't hold water.



I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.  I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality.  There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover.  You are off the mark, lady, way off.



The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.



_________________

"Compassion is the basis of morality."



-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]"

I saw a different Rudy than you did and my kid spent 16 months at the school he was at and never experienced anything even close to that, in fact just the opposite.  These are also first hand accounts, Not saying you didnt see what you did, I guess people change as they grow and mature.  I am definitely a different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.
Sorry that you get so angry with people who disagree with you, doesnt mean you are wrong, just a different point of view.

[Anonymous]

You are just not getting the point, parent. I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm saying that the wool was pulled over your eyes. It happened to all parents, not just you. But we are students, some from decades ago, some from the same time period as your child, that are trying to tell you the truth. You can live on denying it, or you can accept it; it's your choice.

Parents, even parents who caught a first hand glimpse of certain staff in question, didn't see their true colors. Those staff were so sneaky, they were masters of playing a different role in front of parents while still making it seem as if that was who they were all the time. But did your child encounter Rudy in a rap? I know you didn't witness those first hand. And that's where the abuse really flowed.

Sure, perhaps Rudy doesn't stand people up in front of all the other students and belittle his endowment anymore. But that doesn't mean he can't sneak that abuse in, in a more subtle but equally damaging form, in raps. And then when kids complain about what they're subjected to in raps? Well, they usually wouldn't anyways, because they knew it was there word against the facilitators. And the facilitators always won that battle, and would make your life hell for months to come for merely trying to go over their heads.

Parent, that's just how it was. I am confident that your first hand experiences with Rudy did not give you a glimpse of how he handled kids. Even if he treated your kid with utter respect (preferential treatment for some students was the norm at these schools), which would definitely explain your praise for him, doesn't mean he was sticking his abuse to some other poor child.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-06 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

Even if he treated your kid with utter respect (preferential treatment for some students was the norm at these schools), which would definitely explain your praise for him, doesn't mean he was sticking his abuse to some other poor child. "

Sorry, that was my post...I meant to say "doesn't mean he wasn't sticking his abuse to some other poor child.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-10-06 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 05:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


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On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:





"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!











I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.











On a personal note:





Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!











Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!





He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.











Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!

















.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am.  You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program."  That simply doesn't hold water.





I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.  I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality.  There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover.  You are off the mark, lady, way off.





The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.





_________________


"Compassion is the basis of morality."





-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]"

I saw a different Rudy than you did and my kid spent 16 months at the school he was at and never experienced anything even close to that, in fact just the opposite.  These are also first hand accounts, Not saying you didnt see what you did, I guess people change as they grow and mature.  I am definitely a different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.

Sorry that you get so angry with people who disagree with you, doesnt mean you are wrong, just a different point of view."

Me?  Oh, I'm not angry.  Sometimes I use capitals for emphasis, but I'm not angry.

Anyway, what's germane to the discussion is that your child went to the "program," but you didn't.  I worked for years at two separate facilities, one with Mr. Bentz.  I can tell you that what goes on behind closed doors is a far cry from what is available for public consumption.

The children are given harsh consequences for "bad mouthing" the program or the staff.  I would bet that your kid would refrain from doing so while there and after he got out as well to avoid being sent back or not believed.

I think it's safe to say that I've had infinitely more personal contact with this man than you, or your kid, for that matter, have had.  I have interacted with him in the context of the program and in the course of normal life outside of the facility.  Let there be no doubt but that this man has some severe interpersonal problems to say the least.

I don't doubt for a second that he presented to you as a nice and caring person, but, honestly, you never even scratched the surface with him.  I have heard a lot of stories from former staff and students over the years about his abuse, both verbal and physical, and I have seen it with my own two eyes.  In fact, his outrageous and abusive behavior in the name of "therapy" is what ultimately caused me to leave the facility where I worked (not to mention the horrid revelations induced by a few scotches).

So, please, do continue to post your opinions/impressions, but be aware that you have little or no true knowledge or experience with this fellow, while some of us know exactly what he's all about...

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-06 11:50:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-10-06 05:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:



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On 2005-10-05 14:47:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:







"I knew Rudy Bentz when he worked at Cedu Running Springs. Guess what? I too remember hearing that sick fuck explain how he placed warm liver inside a milk carton with a hole cut on one side, and fucked it until the thing fell apart!















I also remember that Rudy would often publicly humiliate male students  who he felt "were not working toward being part of the school." Rudy's favorite way of doing this involved calling the whole school's attention (usually right before raps) and announcing publicly which male students had the smallest dick.--Laughter and applause were also strongly encouraged.















On a personal note:







Rudy Bentz actually tried manhandling me once, but I was stronger than him, so instead he got slammed into a book shelf!















Rudy Bentz is a sick, abusive, pedophilic freak!







He's tormented hundreds (perhaps thousands)of children over his 30 career in the bullshit- emotional-growth-scam-industry, and yes he's truly every bit the monster that people make him out to be.















Seriously Troll, get a life already, and stop fronting like you know Rudy Bentz, because it's obvious you don't know shit!























.[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-05 14:49 ]"

I'm afraid you just don't have a clue about which you speak, ma'am.  You are disputing first-hand accounts from folks who have witnessed this behavior personally with what amounts to your "feelings" about Rudy or the "program."  That simply doesn't hold water.







I worked with Rudy in 1994 and 1995 at Hidden Lake Academy and I too personally witnessed him saying EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.  I'm afraid your thinking about Rudy just doesn't measure up to reality.  There are too many accounts separated temporally and spatially, but nearly identical, for any thinking person to dismiss them based on no evidence whatsover.  You are off the mark, lady, way off.







The fact is that abusers have PATTERNS of abuse, and this disgusting, sexually suggestive and humiliating behavior is Rudy's pattern, whether you choose to accept it or not.







_________________



"Compassion is the basis of morality."







-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-06 05:42 ]"

I saw a different Rudy than you did and my kid spent 16 months at the school he was at and never experienced anything even close to that, in fact just the opposite.  These are also first hand accounts, Not saying you didnt see what you did, I guess people change as they grow and mature.  I am definitely a different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.


Sorry that you get so angry with people who disagree with you, doesnt mean you are wrong, just a different point of view."

Me?  Oh, I'm not angry.  Sometimes I use capitals for emphasis, but I'm not angry.



Anyway, what's germane to the discussion is that your child went to the "program," but you didn't.  I worked for years at two separate facilities, one with Mr. Bentz.  I can tell you that what goes on behind closed doors is a far cry from what is available for public consumption.



The children are given harsh consequences for "bad mouthing" the program or the staff.  I would bet that your kid would refrain from doing so while there and after he got out as well to avoid being sent back or not believed.



I think it's safe to say that I've had infinitely more personal contact with this man than you, or your kid, for that matter, have had.  I have interacted with him in the context of the program and in the course of normal life outside of the facility.  Let there be no doubt but that this man has some severe interpersonal problems to say the least.



I don't doubt for a second that he presented to you as a nice and caring person, but, honestly, you never even scratched the surface with him.  I have heard a lot of stories from former staff and students over the years about his abuse, both verbal and physical, and I have seen it with my own two eyes.  In fact, his outrageous and abusive behavior in the name of "therapy" is what ultimately caused me to leave the facility where I worked (not to mention the horrid revelations induced by a few scotches).



So, please, do continue to post your opinions/impressions, but be aware that you have little or no true knowledge or experience with this fellow, while some of us know exactly what he's all about...
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I am not saying I knew him more or less than anyone else.  No one would really know him unless they were with him for his entire life.  We all saw snap shots... me on and off for 16 months...my kid more so for 16 months...you saw him for the time you did and each of us formed an impression from our exposure.  My kid is over 18 and isnt afraid to go back and talks openly about the good and bad.  He might have held back his good side from you and his bad side from me, but over time your true side comes out and if its bad you will end up in jail eventually.

So, please, do continue to post your opinions/impressions, but be aware that we all have little or no true knowledge or experience with this fellow, while some of us feel we know exactly what he's all about we really dont

[Troll Control]

I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong.  You saw snapshots, I saw real-life up-close reality, and so did these other folks.  You're head is in the sand.

What we're talking about here aren't normally "jailable" offenses, but rather a reflection of moral terpitude and lack of ethics.

Again, not everyone who deserves to be in jail ends up there.  For instance, did you know that Rudy Bentz, while driving drunk, struck and killed a man with his vehicle?  He's a vehicular manslaughterer (this is a proven fact admitted by Rudy many times over many years), yet he never went to jail.

So much for your "theory."

[TheWho]

On 2005-10-06 14:52:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong.  You saw snapshots, I saw real-life up-close reality, and so did these other folks.  You're head is in the sand.



What we're talking about here aren't normally "jailable" offenses, but rather a reflection of moral terpitude and lack of ethics.



Again, not everyone who deserves to be in jail ends up there.  For instance, did you know that Rudy Bentz, while driving drunk, struck and killed a man with his vehicle?  He's a vehicular manslaughterer (this is a proven fact admitted by Rudy many times over many years), yet he never went to jail.



So much for your "theory."
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 He made a mistake and he paid for it.  We discussed this in one of the groups we attended with my child, Rudy brought it up as an example of what drugs and alcohol can do to a persons life if left un checked.  This just further proves that there are consequences to every action if it continues.  Yes I saw snap shots as I mentioned, we all did.  My kid was there 16 months, which you failed to read.  So you condem everyone in N.A. and A.A. for their past mistakes, interesting, at least they are working on improving their lives and dealing with their past. People like you are the reason they have closed meetings,as they should, its hard enough for some people as it is without worrying where their story will end up.