Thom Wrote:
I remember at The Seed they used to say "Your higher power can be a light bulb or a door knob" sometimes I would whisper to the person sitting next to me, if they seemed to have a sense of humor, 'That's it? only a light bulb or a door knob?' (I was a smart ass long before drugs and stuff) Years later, it occurred to me that you usually need a door knob to enter a room, and then a light to see once you are in. Heavy...
Actually you are giving yourself way too much credit here. Simplistic is a better term..or how about diversionary? Go ahead and admit it, you made that up trying to fill in the blanks while thinking back and trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad.
It is to most people Thom just plain and simple BULLSHIT. your XA is a religion and many of us don't wish to join. Describing God as a light bulb is bullshit, or as "THE GROUP" even more bullshit, piled higher and smelling even worse. The problem Thom is that you steppers always think you have the magic bullet, and then you wanna go forcing it on the rest of us thru coercise techniques..the courts..locking kids up..you name it is has been done and continues to be so.
WE DON"T WANT YOUR STINKING RELIGION.
Thanks anyway.
'The Magical 12 Steps' have their roots in the Book of James. This James was the Brother of Jesus. AA, Oxford Group, Buchman, etc. didn't invent this stuff. It's a God thing.
More bullshit and your transparency continues thru your use of the word magical. It is not. and the book of James wasn't written by the brother of Jesus. See how you steppers can't even get your own religion right?
and while we are on the topic, yes it is a "god" thing. Except it isn't presented as such. XA and so forth sucks you in with simplistic comments about "God being anything" but as you progress they say things like "maybe you aren't praying hard enough" or "praying properly". Tell us, how do you pray properly to a chair? BULLSHIT again on your XA because they start out violating the first and most vlagrantly ignored rule from day one, diverting you from the real roots of the organization..God worship.
I believe the 12 step movement to be yet another opportunity presented by a loving, compassionate God,
And I don't. I think it to be the delusional process of a bunch of people that have voluntarily or otherwise joined a group that is conjoined by a sense of worthlessness, powerlessness, and other disjointed therories as to why they fuck up all the time.
I didn't "get it" If that seems like blasphemy to any 12 stepper, the problem is not mine.
Hey Thom, as to why the seed, the seed university, the seed thruout the land, seedlings returning to every community to bring the program there, the seed as the savior of america's youth,Seedlings as homo superior, The totally honest and aware seedling, and all the other seed ideals that failed....
Do ya think that maybe this was because Art violated the tenants of your religion and only embraced 7 of the steps and then adopted coercise mind control and involuntarily lock down as replacements for the rest of those "magical" steps?
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