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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2005, 07:55:00 PM »
No, they did not try and convert me into a mormon. But, if I used the lords name in vain (oh my god, jesus christ, etc) I would get in trouble with long essays, and work hours. I came from a family that said oh my god all the time!!! Needless to say, I was doing a lot of writing when I first got there.

There was a house parent by the name of Stuart Johnson, he loved to touch me underneath the blanket during movie time. His wife Sandy wasn't too happy about it though! He was the hottest thing around though, I couldn't help myself, I was horny, and deprived! Sorry Sandi!
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2005, 07:19:00 PM »
Here are some things I'd question the legality of:  physical restraints due to laughing or talking without permission (not as a last resort to keep a child from self-injurious or other potentially dangerous behavior), staff sleeping in front of the door, girls sleeping on mattresses in the hallway since they wouldn't ever admit to being at capacity, overmedicating with psychotropic drugs (does 90%+ of any given group need Ritalin & Prozac???), monitoring all mail, pulling grievances from the box intended for the State to receive and never turning them in, making kids jump on trash in the dumpster each night to pack it in, secluding those whose sexual identity was lesbian or bisexual, requiring extended periods of silence (remember Cameron's "baseball" game where he'd put us on silence and send us to bed if it got too loud three times)- and I am talking days in a row with this group silence punishment, prohibiting us from using a system of gestures developed in response to chronic group silence punishments, doling out group consequences period, and I'm sure more I can't think of just now.  They used to always say that an entire group wouldn't talk until someone came clean or narced someone else off.  Also, I do not think that level advancement and consequently the ability to go home should be left to a group of teenagers to decide.  It seems that legally our advancement in a therapeutic program should be determined by a qualified therapist.
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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2005, 07:08:00 PM »
These programs do more than you ever could do, so why don't you just let them do their professional jobs!!!
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Ex-gas station managers (MR.KAY) and people who have little education beyond high school (MR. Litchfield and a host of others in the WWASP organization) are not professionals. A professional would be someone who has received a degree in a related field and has receiving proper training to work with troubled teens. Not a bunch of greedy ignorants who decided that they would simply make up their own guidelines for treatment of troubled teens after managing a gas station.
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2005, 05:19:00 AM »
I was at Spring Creek for about 10 1/2 months. It was one fucking nightmare of a chapter in my life. I got sent there basically because I hated my dad, my mom was dead, i didn't get great grades in school, and i liked weed and cigarettes. The whole time I was there, the only activities available were reading books, doing school, eating, sleeping, shitting, and socializing. Finally i turned 18 and came back to Anchorage where i now reside. The only thing i got from there was a meloncholy feeling and a diploma. I couldn't benefit from what that place had to "offer" beause i had different attitudes and beliefs, and i already knew anything they had to say. The whole program meets the definition of a 'total institution' where the victims are faced with an array of tactics to strip them of their personal identity. I will agree that it may help a small percentage of the victims in the long run, but from what i saw, it only left the victims depressed, suicidal, craving drugs, and generally hating life.
    I saw many aspects of the operation to be in conflict with general logic and law: the victims are not allowed access to legal counsel or law enforcement, they are subject to assault by staff for misbehaving or a.k.a. "not following the huge number of ridiculous rules or restrictions imposed," there is no phone to contact relatives or friends, meals can be withheld to attempt to alter your behavior, meals are not satisfactory or nutritional. There is a lack of social opportunity and progress, poor medical assistance. Some victims may be subject to wear one layer of clothes in temperatures below 45 degress for long periods of time. It goes on and on.
    The saddest part is that there are similar programs that are even worse. I am sure if someone  got a good lawyer, these programs would either be shut down or forced to make drastic improvements...
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2005, 05:30:00 AM »
Same person as whole wrote above ^: if anyone needs to know anything specific about spring creek lodge or just anything, email e3j3p3@hotmail.com, i was there for 10 1/2 months, i got out 5 months ago...
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2005, 10:35:00 AM »
QUOTE: I saw many aspects of the operation to be in conflict with general logic and law: the victims are not allowed access to legal counsel or law enforcement, they are subject to assault by staff for misbehaving or a.k.a. "not following the huge number of ridiculous rules or restrictions imposed," there is no phone to contact relatives or friends, meals can be withheld to attempt to alter your behavior, meals are not satisfactory or nutritional. There is a lack of social opportunity and progress, poor medical assistance. Some victims may be subject to wear one layer of clothes in temperatures below 45 degress for long periods of time. END QUOTE

Hmmm. How about the SRO officer? She's there three days a week. How about the 60-day calls EVERY student gets, regardless of status? How about the certified nutritional program? How about the three medical doctors and all the nurses? How about the grievance process? And a still more relevant question: What level did you make?

Your lies are more about you than they are about Spring Creek.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2005, 10:57:00 AM »
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How about the 60-day calls EVERY student gets, regardless of status? How about the certified nutritional program? How about the three medical doctors and all the nurses? How about the grievance process?

Now that's just bullshit. Only prisoners in level 3 - 6 can make (or receive) phone calls. The grievance process is non-existant-- it is included in the parents manual to make the parents feel good. There are no medical doctors in WWASPS facilities, and the "nurses" and usually not qualified. That includes Spring Creek.

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And a still more relevant question: What level did you make?

Ah, now you show your true colors. That old WWASPie lie that a child must be lying, unless they're "graduates". The truth is, that (and WWASPS) have a far greater motive to lie than this kid. And you do.

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Your lies are more about you than they are about Spring Creek."


And your lies are more about you than they are about this kid's story. You need to delude yourself about WWASPS is insatiable, and you will attack anyone who dares speak the truth to satisfy this need.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
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"I was at Spring Creek for about 10 1/2 months. It was one fucking nightmare of a chapter in my life. I got sent there basically because I hated my dad, my mom was dead, i didn't get great grades in school, and i liked weed and cigarettes. The whole time I was there, the only activities available were reading books, doing school, eating, sleeping, shitting, and socializing. Finally i turned 18 and came back to Anchorage where i now reside. The only thing i got from there was a meloncholy feeling and a diploma. I couldn't benefit from what that place had to "offer" beause i had different attitudes and beliefs, and i already knew anything they had to say. The whole program meets the definition of a 'total institution' where the victims are faced with an array of tactics to strip them of their personal identity. I will agree that it may help a small percentage of the victims in the long run, but from what i saw, it only left the victims depressed, suicidal, craving drugs, and generally hating life.

    I saw many aspects of the operation to be in conflict with general logic and law: the victims are not allowed access to legal counsel or law enforcement, they are subject to assault by staff for misbehaving or a.k.a. "not following the huge number of ridiculous rules or restrictions imposed," there is no phone to contact relatives or friends, meals can be withheld to attempt to alter your behavior, meals are not satisfactory or nutritional. There is a lack of social opportunity and progress, poor medical assistance. Some victims may be subject to wear one layer of clothes in temperatures below 45 degress for long periods of time. It goes on and on.

    The saddest part is that there are similar programs that are even worse. I am sure if someone  got a good lawyer, these programs would either be shut down or forced to make drastic improvements..."


Damn dude, I could have wrote that myself. We had very similar experiences. I also was at SCL for about 10 months before I turned 18 and left. Fucking sucked! Anyways, if you ever want to talk to more survivors hit up myspace groups and search for WWASP. a bunch of SCL and WWASP survivor groups are popping up nowadays. I know it helps to talk to people.. making sense of the unexplainable and shit can be difficult. Have a great life man, you deserve it after being in that hell hole!
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2005, 03:16:00 PM »
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How about the 60-day calls EVERY student gets, regardless of status? How about the certified nutritional program? How about the three medical doctors and all the nurses? How about the grievance process?



Now that's just bullshit. Only prisoners in level 3 - 6 can make (or receive) phone calls. The grievance process is non-existant-- it is included in the parents manual to make the parents feel good. There are no medical doctors in WWASPS facilities, and the "nurses" and usually not qualified. That includes Spring Creek.



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And a still more relevant question: What level did you make?



Ah, now you show your true colors. That old WWASPie lie that a child must be lying, unless they're "graduates". The truth is, that (and WWASPS) have a far greater motive to lie than this kid. And you do.



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Your lies are more about you than they are about Spring Creek."




And your lies are more about you than they are about this kid's story. You need to delude yourself about WWASPS is insatiable, and you will attack anyone who dares speak the truth to satisfy this need.

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Sixty day calls implemented over a year ago, regardless of level. Why does scl employ a full-time person to do nothing but quality control, including grievances? And the doctors are on the scl website. You can confirm that with the secretary of state's office, too. Ditto the nurses. So whoever posted this has obviously never been there.
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2005, 03:37:00 PM »
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Sixty day calls implemented over a year ago, regardless of level. Why does scl employ a full-time person to do nothing but quality control, including grievances? And the doctors are on the scl website. You can confirm that with the secretary of state's office, too. Ditto the nurses. So whoever posted this has obviously never been there. "


This is copied from a CSA contract from Feb. 2005. Since the programs is identical in all facilities, this applies to SCL as well:

Revised 2/28/05
Copyright © 1999
For More Information Call 1-800-429-6099 27
ADDENDUM #9
COMMUNICATION WITH STUDENTS
The following is an outline of recommended Parent/Student communication and visit schedule.

It is imperative that the student has frequent communication with their parent(s), and that the parents have appropriate access to visit their child. It is also important that the student is committed to work and earn advanced communication
and visitation privileges. Years of experience and thousands of successful graduates have shown that following this recommended schedule will greatly enhance the school experience for your child and increase their opportunity for successful graduation.

Entry and Achievement Status (former Levels 1&2)- unlimited and uncensored letter writing, parents receive
weekly or bi-weekly (parent choice) progress reports by telephone from Family Representative. Students may
send messages to parents through Family Rep. Letter writing and progress reports continue throughout the students stay.

Parent Child Seminar I- Student needs to be a graduate of the Focus Seminar (this is their second seminar: seminars come every 6 weeks). Parents required to be a Discovery Seminar graduate (this is the parents first
seminar and may attend as soon as they admit their child). Parents spend two days with their child attending the
Parent Child 1 Seminar on campus. If the student has been in the program for over 6 months they will be invited to this Parent Child 1 Seminar regardless of status.

Advanced Status (former Level 3)-Students have one 15 minute phone call with parents monthly. Students can earn this status as early as 3 months from admission.

Service Status (former Level 4) -Students have two 20 minute phone calls with parents monthly. They also have one 3-day visit a month in local area (not overnight).

Honor Status (former Level 5)-Students have three 20 minute phone calls with parents monthly. They also have one 3-day overnight visit a month in local area (not at home).

Parent Child Seminar II- Students are required to be Honor Status and parents to be Discovery Seminar graduates. They spend 3 days together at location other than CSA campus and work on rules for home contract in a seminar setting. Students stay only with parents during this weekend.

Home Visits- after student has attended Parent Child Seminar II they are eligible for home visits. They receive a 5-7 day home visit monthly.

High Honors Status (former Level 6)-Students have weekly 20 minute phone calls with parents. They also continue to have their home visits on this level.

***Regardless of status or program recommendations, parents may at any time schedule a phone call or on campus visit with their child. At no time will Carolina Springs Academy prevent, hinder of discourage parent and child contact. We believe in our program
and program model, however, we firmly maintain that the parent is an essential element to the program?s success and welcome your
support and input. It is essential that the parent is comfortable with the child?s placement at Carolina Springs Academy and we will
arrange additional private meetings for the parent with the child as the parent deems necessary.
Father/Guardian Mother/Guardian"

Nothing about a phone call every 60 days for every prisoner, regardless of level. And I find SCL's facade entertaining, but not all that convincing. WWASPS' medical "care" was and still is at its worst, because WWASPS doesn't really give a damn about anything except for indoctrinating its prisoners into believing they've been "saved".
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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2005, 02:04:00 AM »
Yes, they do get calls every 60 days. Not to anyone but their parents. What i said, was that they dont get them to friends or relatives. Yes, the nutritional program may be certified but to montana's "standards" which the students get no say in, and that does not mean they staff do not withhold meals illegally, which i witnessed. There never was an SRO officer in sight, ever. The whole "grievance process" is a fucking complete joke and only applied to "consequences" not other issues. There are docters and nurses, but the care is 3rd rate, sometimes never applied, or takes too long.
   I would really like to know who wrote that first reply to my post. It is either some desperate parent in denial, one of the programs staff fearing for his job, or a successfully brainwashed former student defending his former owners like the little bitch he always was.
    NOW, i will agree that program can benefit some people but they try way too hard to pressure people into conforming (even if it hurts the "student") when most of them need other forms of treatment not available in a shit hole like spring creek.
    If you can read this Chaffin, Cameron, or that red faced little bitch (Payne?) who I saw fuck the grievance chick in my cabin, and all you other pathetic SCL employees: I have to hand it you all for setting up something that reaps in the cash and blindside parents while they throw it away in  flawed hopes of their kids recovery, but you truly are some twisted uncaring bastard child abusers. Yah, thats right... i agree that many of the girls    and a few of the guys are diseased and may need to be put out of theit own misery you help create, but seriously, may god have mercy on your withered souls.
 
PS i am going to college and will become more successful than all of you scl bitches combined, and i will have your program and others drastically altered or destroyed in a legal way.
good day.

e3j3p3@hotmail.com
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« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2005, 02:18:00 AM »
One more thing, all of you SCL and WWASP program employess, investors, and supporters, just take a deep deep look at youselves, deep. Look at the life you lead. It may be good it may be bad. Look the kids that that suffer and may be suicidal and CANNOT benefit from your program and others despite the number of kids that do benefit. You need to inform the parents of these kids that there are many other options available for the proper treatment for their kids and their problems. Its for the benefit of a greater humanity... my interest and the world's.

Analyze, contemplate what is right, and go for it, that is why i am here, for what is right for me and what is right for my fellow brothers and sisters of whatever god there may be.

enjoy

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« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2005, 02:27:00 AM »
Yeah he is right.
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« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2005, 11:17:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-13 12:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Sixty day calls implemented over a year ago, regardless of level. Why does scl employ a full-time person to do nothing but quality control, including grievances? And the doctors are on the scl website. You can confirm that with the secretary of state's office, too. Ditto the nurses. So whoever posted this has obviously never been there. "




This is copied from a CSA contract from Feb. 2005. Since the programs is identical in all facilities, this applies to SCL as well:



Revised 2/28/05

Copyright © 1999

For More Information Call 1-800-429-6099 27

ADDENDUM #9

COMMUNICATION WITH STUDENTS

The following is an outline of recommended Parent/Student communication and visit schedule.



It is imperative that the student has frequent communication with their parent(s), and that the parents have appropriate access to visit their child. It is also important that the student is committed to work and earn advanced communication

and visitation privileges. Years of experience and thousands of successful graduates have shown that following this recommended schedule will greatly enhance the school experience for your child and increase their opportunity for successful graduation.



Entry and Achievement Status (former Levels 1&2)- unlimited and uncensored letter writing, parents receive

weekly or bi-weekly (parent choice) progress reports by telephone from Family Representative. Students may

send messages to parents through Family Rep. Letter writing and progress reports continue throughout the students stay.



Parent Child Seminar I- Student needs to be a graduate of the Focus Seminar (this is their second seminar: seminars come every 6 weeks). Parents required to be a Discovery Seminar graduate (this is the parents first

seminar and may attend as soon as they admit their child). Parents spend two days with their child attending the

Parent Child 1 Seminar on campus. If the student has been in the program for over 6 months they will be invited to this Parent Child 1 Seminar regardless of status.



Advanced Status (former Level 3)-Students have one 15 minute phone call with parents monthly. Students can earn this status as early as 3 months from admission.



Service Status (former Level 4) -Students have two 20 minute phone calls with parents monthly. They also have one 3-day visit a month in local area (not overnight).



Honor Status (former Level 5)-Students have three 20 minute phone calls with parents monthly. They also have one 3-day overnight visit a month in local area (not at home).



Parent Child Seminar II- Students are required to be Honor Status and parents to be Discovery Seminar graduates. They spend 3 days together at location other than CSA campus and work on rules for home contract in a seminar setting. Students stay only with parents during this weekend.



Home Visits- after student has attended Parent Child Seminar II they are eligible for home visits. They receive a 5-7 day home visit monthly.



High Honors Status (former Level 6)-Students have weekly 20 minute phone calls with parents. They also continue to have their home visits on this level.



***Regardless of status or program recommendations, parents may at any time schedule a phone call or on campus visit with their child. At no time will Carolina Springs Academy prevent, hinder of discourage parent and child contact. We believe in our program

and program model, however, we firmly maintain that the parent is an essential element to the program?s success and welcome your

support and input. It is essential that the parent is comfortable with the child?s placement at Carolina Springs Academy and we will

arrange additional private meetings for the parent with the child as the parent deems necessary.

Father/Guardian Mother/Guardian"



Nothing about a phone call every 60 days for every prisoner, regardless of level. And I find SCL's facade entertaining, but not all that convincing. WWASPS' medical "care" was and still is at its worst, because WWASPS doesn't really give a damn about anything except for indoctrinating its prisoners into believing they've been "saved". "



Your premise is wrong. The programs are not at all identical. So the rest of your post is invalid.
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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2005, 11:25:00 AM »
Well said student,

The staff should inform parents their child is not benefiting from their "treatment".Then again the money would leave with the child. That aint going to happen.For the betterment of humaniity or not.

They truly dont care.
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