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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
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"Perhaps we should file a claims bill. There is no time limit on that. Even if we don't win we will be heard. That would be a story the media would follow.











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Please contact me at [email protected], I am interested in discussing this."


i am interested in discussin' this too and i imagine that there are many survivors who read this board who would be interested in this discussion, as well.  It would be great if you could have your discussion right here so we could all participate, then again i understand that the way people treat each other on this forum is not always conducive to unification of purpose.  Please keep us posted and let us know what the results of your discussion are.  Thanx.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2005, 11:02:00 PM »
I would like to file a class action suit, I can fund these issues and more. I also have some files from the st of Fl.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
Greg, I am interested in these files you have from the State of Florida. Please email me at [email protected]. Thank you.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2005, 04:11:00 PM »
Nobody gives a Shit about what happened to our middle aged asses 25 years ago but us. "Our Story" is just that ours nobody else gives a shit.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2005, 05:07:00 PM »
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"Nobody gives a Shit about what happened to our middle aged asses 25 years ago but us. "Our Story" is just that ours nobody else gives a shit."


Sadly this seems to be true. I must point out though I am no where near middle aged yet!  :lol:
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2005, 01:11:00 AM »
I'm leaving America partially because I see this as a systemic problem. Especially with the current administration. I never thought that I would leave but here I am leaving.  Once I am back in my home country I will be contacting Amnesty International. They do not allow people to become active in problems in the countries that they live in, as a safety measure against reprisals. I am also wondering what exactly international laws are on holding a foreign national in a place like Straight, be sure I will find out.  I do feel like we are letting down those who are there now. I don't know what I can do but I want to try. I have been out for 15yrs 10 of which I spent running below the radar, out of fear and craziness. I want to at least get some recognition that there is a problem, then maybe from there something can be done. The problem is that they broke many of us so badly that we have fallen through the cracks or tried to forget.
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2005, 01:38:00 AM »
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"I'm leaving America partially because I see this as a systemic problem. Especially with the current administration. I never thought that I would leave but here I am leaving.  Once I am back in my home country I will be contacting Amnesty International. They do not allow people to become active in problems in the countries that they live in, as a safety measure against reprisals. I am also wondering what exactly international laws are on holding a foreign national in a place like Straight, be sure I will find out.  I do feel like we are letting down those who are there now. I don't know what I can do but I want to try. I have been out for 15yrs 10 of which I spent running below the radar, out of fear and craziness. I want to at least get some recognition that there is a problem, then maybe from there something can be done. The problem is that they broke many of us so badly that we have fallen through the cracks or tried to forget.   "


What country are you from orginally?
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2005, 01:44:00 AM »
I'm from the UK. I'd been here a very short time before I was locked up.... what a freak out,and I thought that culture shock was weird
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2005, 07:29:00 AM »
Your moving back to the UK? Why?  It's so expensive there and the government has their hand in your back pocket at every turn. Hell you even have to pay to park in a hospital? England is a beautiful place but it lacks much of the opportunities we have here. I've been there many times but think there are better places to go.  Have you ever been to Spain?

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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2005, 09:22:00 AM »
I'm actually going to Scotland (I don't like England that much either)There are a lot of reasons.  As a citizen I am entitled to free medical care ( a huge expense for me here, I have Fibromyalgia and a long list of other problems) I can finish my education for close to free. I just left UNM where I was studying History. With the political climate as it is at the moment it was very difficult to raise any criticism of the US govt. New Mexico has all of it's National Guard over in Iraq. Another big reason is the involvement of the Bush clan with the Semblers et al. One other thing is that I have always felt that there is a much great expectation of personal freedom in the UK than here. Prison is seen as a last resort there, not as a growth industry. Children are rarely locked up for any reason in the UK. Ideally I would prefer to stay here, but,  the direction that this country barreling towards  frightens me. The separation of church and state is becoming less well defined and there are torturers running the government. If I were a citizen of America I would stay to fight for the values that this country stands for. As it is however I can be arrested and held by the military without trial, defense, or just cause. Thanks to the patriot act, I can simply be 'disappeared', my family doesn't even need to be informed. We've all done that before and the results weren't exactly favorable for most of us. I don't think that it's at all likely that I would be locked up after all Scotland isn't exactly known for it's terrorists, but I never thought that a place like Straight could exist either. I'm a writer and a historian and as such I want to write about my experience in Straight and after. I don't want to censor myself out of fear of recrimination. I can do more for the kids who are still in those places if I am elsewhere. I am partially running away with my tail between my legs, but only so that I can get to a safe distance to run my mouth. I would not suggest that this would be the right thing to do if I were an American, after all dissent is one of the basic necessities of any democracy, especially America's. This is just what I must do. I don't think that Britain is so far removed from America in a lot of political areas, but there is more of a public forum on political issues. Words like feminist, liberal, socialist or union are not dirty words there. My personal standard of living will improve by my move there to, although in the long run I will make less money, fortunately for me money is a low priority. I hope someday that I will feel better about the American future. My husband is American and I would love to raise children here if the political climate were different. Speaking of climate, I'd much rather be hot as hell, sitting out on my porch in the middle of nowhere Texas, than freezing my ass of in the wet and dark of Glasgow. Bet you didn't expect a ten page thesis!!! It's just a complex issue for me. BTW you have to pay to park at Mass General too!! Let's see if I get blasted as being 'un-American' which I'm not, the gov sucks though
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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2005, 09:38:00 AM »
Fibromyalgia & PTSD:

http://http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/5797/e/1/T/CFIDS_FM/

I just thought I'd mention that, I hope you don't mind.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
very nice, thank you. was it also you who put the great link in on the long term studies thread? I am expecting to actually do my Phd. thesis on the history of PTSD/effects of war and torture through out mainly the 20th century. Most people who write about it do so from a solely clinical stand point. I have more personal insight in to the matter! I feel like I finally got my head into better shape and then my body started kicking my ass.  :flame: Interesting stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
Yes, I just started reading about that. It is really stunning, actually. I'm tuning in to what the war veterans are talking about, because they have put together resources for themselves, whereas we P.O.W. vets of the Drug War are kind of stumbling around in the dark. We were terribly terribly abused, and no one is helping us figure it out.
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2005, 04:52:00 PM »
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"very nice, thank you. was it also you who put the great link in on the long term studies thread? I am expecting to actually do my Phd. thesis on the history of PTSD/effects of war and torture through out mainly the 20th century. Most people who write about it do so from a solely clinical stand point. I have more personal insight in to the matter! I feel like I finally got my head into better shape and then my body started kicking my ass.  :flame: Interesting stuff. "


I send much encouragement to you for your thesis plans. It's weird because when I was in the shower this morning I was thinking of what I am going to do for mine and the thought of researching people with PTSD that were in treatment facilities as teens came to mind.

I would like to see more studies done on what effects PTSD has on family members that have to live with a person who has it. I was reading with interest in another thread the post you made regarding PTSD and schizophrenia. My father has been diagnosed with both and my family has been taken for one hell of a long ride dealing with it.

My father and uncle are in and out of the VA hospital because of these conditions mentioned above and as far as I know the VA does not offer any resources to the family members who have to live daily with this. This is not an isolated problem to just the person afflicted from it because it effects everyone around them.
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