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« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2005, 10:20:00 AM »
Were you institutionalized and was your husband your caretaker when you started dating?

You're comparing apples and oranges.

The VERY NATURE of the relationship (not two people with FREE WILL) makes it such that the young girl is not able to understand fully to what she is "consenting."

Again, any way you'd like to try to frame it up, the counselor is in a position of POWER and the PATIENT is in a position of vulnerability.

What you're failing to understand here is that these children were placed in a treatment center because they lacked the cognitive ability to understand the ramifications of the behaviors they were "consenting" to at home.  

They chose to do drugs or have sex or what-have-you and their parents forced them into treatment because, in the parents' mind, they were not PREPARED OR ABLE TO CONSENT TO THESE ACTIVITIES.

How do they become prepared to consent after being institutionalized?  Wheteher they were "forced" or "coerced" or even MANIPULATED into the "relationship" is immaterial, as they are not mentally or emotionally stable enough to GIVE CONSENT.  That's the whole point.  That's precisely why they were sent there in the first place.

You keep comparing INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS with NORMALLY FUNCTIONING PERSONS.  Can you not see the difference?  If you can't see that BASIC DISTINCTION you have no business interjecting an opinion.
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« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2005, 10:40:00 AM »
Perhaps I haven't been clear enough about how serious a matter this actually is.  Let me provide you some facts.

Therapists, physicians, and attorneys are fiduciaries for their patients and clients, and this role prevents them from engaging in any activity that is not in the client's best interest. The law recognizes this. Patients or clients harmed by sexual exploitation may seek redress in civil suits for money damages, criminal sanctions, and licensing board actions. Presently, the issues hotly debated among attorneys involved in litigating sexual misconduct suits include issues over the time period within which the patient or client may file suit and whether the professional's malpractice insurance provides coverage for the misconduct.

Patients are harmed by sexual contact with their therapist. Studies of practicing therapists estimate that, in their observations, between eighty-seven and ninety percent of the patients who have had sexual contact with their therapist are damaged. Injuries include sexual dysfunction, anxiety disorders, psychiatric hospitalizations, increased risk of suicide, depression, dissociative behavior, internalized feelings of guilt, shame, anger, confusion, hatred, inability to trust and feelings of worthlessness. Other effects of the sexual contact included anger, shame, humiliation, depression, and anxiety. ***(READ CAREFULLY)In addition, for many victims, realizing that they are harmed and that the therapist was the cause of their harm takes years.*** Only four to eight percent of victims ever report the sexual contact.

There are special characteristics of professional-client relationships which place the professional in a position of ***greater power and authority than the client and, in essence, render it "unfair" for the professional to gain any benefit at the client's expense.*** Legally, many professionals--therapists, physicians, attorneys, professors--are said to stand in a "fiduciary" relationship with respect to their patients, clients, or students. "Fiduciary" is a legal term describing the relationship that exists when one party reposes trust and confidence in the other, more powerful party. ***In a fiduciary relationship, the more powerful party has a duty to act only in the trusting party's best interest.***

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And regarding Georgia law, this is at least a misdemeanor, and if there was intercourse, a FELONY, regardless of the age of either of the parties.  Read on...

Beginning in 1983, legislators in several states undertook an examination of sexual abuse by psychotherapists and other professionals to determine whether criminal sanctions were warranted. The first state to enact legislation criminalizing therapist-patient sexual exploitation was Wisconsin. The first felony statute took effect in Minnesota, followed by Wisconsin, North Dakota, Colorado, California, and Maine. Florida, ***Georgia***, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Dakota, New Mexico, Connecticut, Arizona, and Texas passed comparable legislation, with other states considering similar bills.

The exact penalties imposed by the statutes differ from state to state. Seven of the fifteen states that criminalize sexual contact between therapist and patient distinguish between sexual contact and penetration, with the latter offense typically classified as a felony rather than a misdemeanor.

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And, as for so-called "consent":

Perhaps most significantly, the statutes completely eliminate consent as a defense.

READ AGAIN. "COMPLETELY ELIMINATE CONSENT AS A DEFENSE."

Now that you understand the law a little better, maybe you can start untying your personal pretzel-logic about patient-therapist relations.
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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2005, 08:30:00 PM »
Than you Dysfunction Junction for you great explanation: IT IS WRONG, WRONG WRONG for any therapist to have a RELATIONSHIP with a client,,PERIOD---and any therapist, counselor who does not GET IT needs to get out of the business PERIOD. And if he/she can not GET IT, then IF THIS HAPPENS, he/she, the therapist or counselor who stoops this low need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and should loose the license to practice immediately.
TO EVEN THINK THIS IS OK is stupid!
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« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2005, 09:32:00 PM »
I agree that the actual therapist should not be in a relationship with the student because the counselor is with the sudent in reals and sees all sides and is more vulnerable. Louise what do you think?[ This Message was edited by: thelma on 2005-08-28 18:32 ]
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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
That is a definate hell no...ewww gross! :cry2: [ This Message was edited by: Louise101MA on 2005-08-28 18:35 ]
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« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2005, 09:37:00 PM »
Louise prefers short guys instead dont you!!! :lol:
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« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2005, 09:39:00 PM »
HEY NOW THELMA THATS NO FAIR! thats all behind me now...literly, but now i have my night in shineing armor ::heart::  :grin:
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« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »
sorry had to say it :wstupid: remember those good old days in the fishbowl :eek:
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« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2005, 09:45:00 PM »
oh god...the fish bowl :silly:
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« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2005, 09:49:00 PM »
hey marine what do you think of the fishbowl
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« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
i have to admit that while in the fishbowl i sat in the same seat everyday only for one reason...can anybody guess why?
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« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
what do I get for answering this correctly? Let me guess sinc I only sat next to you every reals! AJH would walk by and you would switch glances. Maybe?
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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2005, 10:54:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-11-03 20:05 ]
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our walking down a hallway, you turn left, you turn right. BRICK WALL!

GAH!!!!

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« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2005, 11:47:00 PM »
hey it's alright. OL  do you get anything out of the fornit. Why did you origionally sign on?
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« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2005, 12:27:00 PM »
Where is Mrs. Grey? I miss her idle threats, lies, and other assorted retarded comments.
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