Carlbrook

[TheWho]

On 2006-04-12 06:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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 Hopefully we'll save a few kids from going to abusive programs.

Well, this we can surely agree upon.  I genuinely hope that this is the case.



I see The Who (who supports programs that kill children - read his posts) is still clinging to the "Shapiro life raft."  What a joke.  



Who, it's like you have tourette's syndrome and all you can say is "V. Shapiro of Colgate University," as if she were faculty or some authority.  Who, the more you post, the more you vicariously smear those on your side.  You are a terrible representative and an even worse debator.  At least some of the other posters here have some sense.
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Hopefully we'll save a few kids from going to abusive programs.

Well, this we can surely agree upon. I genuinely hope that this is the case.

Yes, I think this is something we all have in common, finding and choosing non abusive programs for the kids and keep the pressure on to improve them.

I see The Who (who supports programs that kill children - read his posts) is still clinging to the "Shapiro life raft." What a joke.

It is sad that there have been so few studies done on the schools and clinging to a life raft, when put into perspective, isn?t that bad when others are treading water.

Who, it's like you have tourette's syndrome

You really think you make a credible stand as a proclaimed ?Mental health professional? when you make comments like this, belittling people with tourettes, depression, bipolar etc.?   Didn?t you learn one of the basic rules of the mental health industry is to have some respect for other people and their conditions?  There are probably many people who post here who suffer from some sort of condition and struggle on a daily basis, its immature to make light of this or use it against them.

and all you can say is "V. Shapiro of Colgate University," as if she were faculty or some authority. Who, the more you post, the more you vicariously smear those on your side.

I wasn?t aware we took sides, I just follow the data and studies.  I will look for some supporting data that says ASR and Carlbrook are harmful to kids, but I doubt it exists because you would have presented it already instead of trying to discredit the schools employees as a way to say the schools are ineffective.  It is getting harder and harder to find Universities who don?t offer on-line studies.

I never introduced The Shapiro paper originally and it was only brought up because you asked for supporting studies.

You are a terrible representative and an even worse debator.

I can see why you never considered going into career counseling or self esteem building.  But anyway, I think I mentioned that a few months ago, not one of my strong points,  I guess that makes you the Master debater.

 

At least some of the other posters here have some sense.

Well, that is one good thing, sounds like you are starting to recognize the success stories as well as the unsuccessful ones.  I?ll take that as a baby step forward for all of us.

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Man, this guy is a fool.  He's got over a hundred pages of the same line over and over in the ASR thread, now he's polluting this one.

Good thing this butthole has certified programs as "non-abusive," even though he's never been to them and knows nothing about them other than what some parents posted (Carlbrook).

I think The Who is mentally ill for suggesting that an interpersonal discipline like counseling can be learned online.  This gives a real clue as to his level of functioning: very low.

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The day that I need The Who to validate anything about me or the treatment business (or anything else other than "customer service" for that matter), I'll gladly and willingly shoot myself in the head.  

At that point I will have no reason to linger here on this earth - I will officially be devoid of any intrinsic value.

[Badpuppy]

How do you have any knowledge of the status of my relationships? As far as drug use goes I was referring to his current usage. (with the assumption he is not living in your house.  If you think he would tell you about his current drug useage we are inhabiting different planets. The emotional disconnect I am generalizing about shows up in the ASR study. Kids measure in the clinically depressed range but the parents measure their daily happiness at 5.6 on a scale of seven. And relationships with parents were in the bottom two percent. Forgive me for being skeptical about his choice for Carlbrook but kids usually want places where they can develope romantic interest in the opposite sex. They usually do not want the stigma of having to go to a school for behavior problems. He may have choosen Carlbrook, but please understand my skepticism. Your his mother, so you will always have a connection. But I am skeptical about how much you are in touch with his feelings.

[Anonymous]

He still submits to drug testing by his father.  He's not taking drugs.  I know that saddens lots of people around here because they are so hoping he will fail.  I read through this whole thread last night and found a posting that actually may be his...I'll have to ask him.  He credits Carlbrook for turning his life around.

[Badpuppy]

Getting a little confused with the Anon posts. The bottom line here is that the US governement has concluded that residential treatment is ineffective.  Based on their findings that fact that your child benifited makes you the exception not the rule. Based on your hypothosis the only people who have credability have teens like yours, you have excluded the opinion of most credentialized professionals such as the adolescant psychiatrist whom referred you to Carlbrook The WWASP torture centers have many testimonials to the great results of their system. Parents shouldn't be too swayed either by parent testimonials or Fornits. But you should pay attention to the unbiased experts that work for your government. That being said, I do have emphathy for the parents who tried to make the best choice possible for their kids, did the best due dilligence, given their ability, and chose Carlbrook. They could have done a whole lot worse. I will never understand or respect any parent that sends their child to a WWASP torture chamber. [ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-04-12 14:04 ]

[TheWho]

On 2006-04-12 12:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"The day that I need The Who to validate anything about me or the treatment business (or anything else other than "customer service" for that matter), I'll gladly and willingly shoot myself in the head.  



At that point I will have no reason to linger here on this earth - I will officially be devoid of any intrinsic value.




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I am not trying to validate or invalidate any part of you.  I  know of 2 anon posters here who suffer from bi-polar disorder and another who is taking medication for depression (I am sure there are many more) and to use their conditions against them to invalidate their viewpoint or insinuate that it is in any way humorous is just wrong and insensitive and throws into question that you really are what you say you are.  I think a 3 day on-line course would teach one more than that

[Anonymous]

"I am guessing you probably had all your kids in boarding school... am I wrong? You are the ultimate control freak parent, sucks for your kids."

This may be one of the stupider things you have said, which is really saying something. A control-freak parent would NEVER send their kids to a "regular" boarding school. Your kid has tons of freedom there and the parent gives up almost all control (except financial). Boarding school is an awesome experience and offers educational, social and extra-curricular options that are fantastic for the kids.  In this day and age, kids at boarding schools are there by their own choice, not because the parents are trying to get rid of them. Therapeutic schools are entirely different.

DJ-you really are a disgrace to whatever profession you purport to be part of. To make fun of Tourette's is inexcusable.

[Anonymous]

O, great...The US GOVERNMENT, I can't believe you'd resort to that.  You've got to be kidding.  Let's ask the people of New Orleans if the US Government's opinion is worth anything. FEMA, Army Corps of Engineers and the god forsaken surgeon general...not relaible sources these days.  Give me a break. Hah!!!! Unbiased engineers built the levee systems!  What an absolute scream.  Finally, one of you has actually made me laugh!

[Anonymous]

Do you honestly think DJ has a real job?  If he does, he can't be all that effective when he posts on Fornits day and night.  Thank goodness he's not in private practice, he's way too cynical and arrogant.

[Anonymous]

DJ claims to be a "mental health professional", which is very frightening. I see some real OCD going on with him.  He is obsessed with bringing down Hidden Lake, which shockingly has NOT shut its doors, despite all his predictions of its demise.
He claims to be an adult, yet he posts on the most vile, childish threads on this forum and takes great pleasure in attacking others. BUT-if you should dare to attack him or point out what a moron he is, it is an "ad hominem attack". That's his favorite big word.

[Badpuppy]

Obiviously in your world the marketing sights of Lon Woodbury and WWASP torture centers have so much more credability. That's because of their superior education at Argosy University and Radford College. Really puts med school at Harvard, and clincal programs at NYU and Columbia to shame.

[Anonymous]

I do have emphathy for the parents who tried to make the best choice possible for their kids, did the best due dilligence, given their ability, and chose Carlbrook. They could have done a whole lot worse.

Thank you.  Fortunately it worked.  It is a much better place than the WWASP schools. It's a much better place than most schools period.  I'm not saying you don't think you have "empathy" for us, but until you have been put in the position of sending your child away (especially when you don't want to) you'll never know how it really feels.  I'm also not saying that I wouldn't trust the opinion of a true professional that hasn't had kids, or more specifically troubled kids.  I just can't believe there are any true professional posting here.  The true professionals don't have time for this.  I hardly have time to post here and I only work a few hours a day.  I (like DJ) hold an MSW.  I'm realistic enough to know what my limitations are.  That's why I consulted experts.

[Anonymous]

"Really puts med school at Harvard, and clincal programs at NYU and Columbia to shame."

Funny you should mention those schools. The Dean of Faculty at Carlbrook has a degree from Harvard (JD) and is a Masters degree candidate at Columbia.

[Anonymous]

By the way, Argosy is in Chicago and has some good programs.  It has some on-line classes.  Most Universities have on-line classes.  Don't be an education snob.  Some people may live in remote areas and don't have Mommies and Daddies that will pay for them to go to school at NYU and Harvard. It doesn't mean they aren't good at what they do.