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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2005, 01:07:00 PM »
Carlbrook only accepts kids directly from wilderness (no stops at home).  The kids can arrive at Carlbrook by escort or with the family.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »
"I didn't agree with everything that was done, but on the whole it is an excellent program and has done a lot of good for many kids. There is a big relapse rate within 6 months after leaving Carlbrook. It is a very insular and safe place, and the real world presents challenges that the kids are not always equipped to face."

Sure smells like something... kinda fishy, sorta like a cow pasture, oh yeah, bullshit.. A CULT!

It REEKS of being just another regression/seminar based 'treatment center', which is culty by definition. Funny how you dodge that so artfully, Anon Sanders. Tell me, how did you feel being reduced to tears and nothing but intense emotions and having your intellect reduced to nothing in all those workshops?

Tell me parent, why didnt you get a full 'workshop' experience but your child did? Hmm? Can't handle it?

Oh, and 'wilderness only' definitely tips me off about two things:

1. Its just another step in the pipeline of fleecing parents by keeping their children in 'the industry' as long as you can. What the fuck is Carlbrook to say taht all kids need to go through a wilderness thing before the program? And why are wilderness things only step one in a program now? They dont work anymore?
2. If they just came from a wilderness program, and in all likelyhood were told they would be going home and were SURPRISED! all over again, they would be either broken down already, or pushed to the limit and easier to break down in a workshop.

I know you all are too brainwashed from the emotional psycho cryfests of your seminars(workshops) to think straight but Im hoping someone who stumbles on the thread would go to ISAC and read about the discovery seminars, or regressional 'therapy' like EST/Lifespring/Synannon/SEED/Straight did back in the day and everyone just rips off. So, dont feel bad personally. God knows I dont want you to have ANOTHER psycho cryfest at a computer.

Oh, and the whole stanford-experiment-esque bullshit with making children responsible for other children is still bullshit. Trusting an untrained, potentially problematic (otherwise why the hell are they there?) and very much ADOLESCENT child with authority over other children is begging for trouble. But hey, with enough workshopping you'll be whipped into thinking its nothing but love honor and other mind-numbing seminar-speak.

Just close your eyes and say some more lingo and go back in your mind to one of those stupid seminars if I start making your brain work too hard :wave: because in the good ole US of A, cults are A-okay!

Edit: almost forgot to say this: A program need not be bootcamp based to be abusive. Anything where the whole point is instigating regression, and forcing a child to buy into a program, to believe all of it and indoctrinate as grounds for being 'better' and graduating are by nature a cult and inherantly abusive. "Resistant"? No, they HAD their own will until it was broken. Havent you ever thought about why the whole point of the damn place is to make you buy into some happy hippy new-agey bullshit and 'love' the program and everyone in it? Ever wonder why youre so damned protective and clingy to a treatment center? Why all these emotions are present? Its a freaking treatment center, move the hell on!

I wasn't raised Catholic, but I used to go to Mass with my friends, and I viewed the whole business as a lot of very enthralling hocus-pocus. There's a guy hanging upon the wall in the church, nailed to a cross and dripping blood, and everybody's blaming themselves for that man's torment, but I said to myself, 'Forget it. I had no hand in that evil. I have no original sin. Theres no blood of any sacred martyr an my hands. I pass on all of this.'
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »
Nihil, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your bullshit is an attempt to cover up a total lack of information. Carlbrook is not a cult.  It is an therapeutic boarding school. The school is very careful about who it admits. They accept a limited type of kids and no students with severe learning differences or real severe psychiatric problems. The  age range is also narrow- 15-17 with a few older 14s and some kids turning 18 while they are there. The head guy is an asshole- a very talented asshole who has built an incredible school based on a model he and his partner developed.  He and his partner are Cascade graduates and felt that there was a better model that could be used.  They expect kids to challenge the system-that is why the kids are there in the first place. Carlbrook provides a safe place for the kids to make mistakes, grown and figure out where they want to be in their lives.  It isn't for everyone- kids who came in with serious addictions don't get as much addiction treatment as they should, and are likely to regress.  But for the kids who are willing to eventually be open to what the therapists and other kids can teach them, it is a great program.
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2005, 01:36:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-08 10:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Carlbrook only accepts kids directly from wilderness (no stops at home).  The kids can arrive at Carlbrook by escort or with the family."


Yep, just as I figured.

Brat Camp first ... to make the kid damn glad to have a bed to sleep in even if they are locked up in a TBS.

You program people disgust me and so do the parents who do this to their kids under the guise of "therapy". What a lousy way to parent.  By checkbook and once a month conference calls.

No wonder some of these poor kids learn to love the program, they are probably the only people who ever showed them any attention. These programs, abusive as they may be, are still better for some kids than parents who do not love or want them.

Very sad commentary.

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2005, 01:50:00 PM »
Oh, yes- you know that all of these parents don't love or want their kids.  Great conclusion.
There are a lot of advantages to requiring wilderness first.  In many cases, the kids were already at wilderness before Carlbrook was considered as a next placement.  One kid at Carlbrook actually requested to go back to wilderness after getting in some trouble at Carlbrook-in the dead of winter.  You still refuse to admit that wilderness is good for many kids- and valued by many kids.
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »
Another point- no one is locked up at Carlbrook. You can walk down the road anytime.
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-08 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh, yes- you know that all of these parents don't love or want their kids.  Great conclusion.

There are a lot of advantages to requiring wilderness first.  In many cases, the kids were already at wilderness before Carlbrook was considered as a next placement.  One kid at Carlbrook actually requested to go back to wilderness after getting in some trouble at Carlbrook-in the dead of winter.  You still refuse to admit that wilderness is good for many kids- and valued by many kids.  

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And YOU Anon, refuse to concede that if these programs did NOT EXIST you would have to parent your child yourself, instead of paying somebody else to do it.

Get Real ... wilderness therapy is a rip off and the only reason kids are sent to one before TBS is to break their spirit or detox them ... both of which could be done at home with the right amount of coersive manipulation.

What happens if a kid does not volunatarily want to go to Carlbrooke?  

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2005, 02:09:00 PM »
Which wilderness program does Carlbrook recommend?
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2005, 02:17:00 PM »
If a kid does not voluntarily AGREE (different than "want") to go to Carlbrook, the school will not accept them.
It has nothing to do with not being willing to parent your kids.  In fact, at a certain point, the best and most loving thing you can do for your kid is to admit that you can no longer help him or her and select a good program.  
Carlbrook does not recommend one wilderness program. SUWS and Second Nature are frequently chosen by the families, but there are many others.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2005, 04:18:00 PM »
I have a hard time believing that its totally voluntary and youre not kept by force. Plus, what happesn to the kid if he runs off? Sent to a "tougher" TBS?

Even if thats still the case, that theyre not physically kept in the school, Im still not going to approve of regressional seminars, EVER. Sorry.

Im also not going to approve of a wilderness camp thats basically more of the same, except done with a different mechanism. Its nothing but stressing someone out until they have a emotional outburst and giving them affection during the euphoria when the outburst is over, and taking advantage of that state to influence them.

Thats not growth, its regression. Im sure that you, having gone through it, only remembering the euphoria and the 'love' and other bullshit, and being thuroughly influenced by it cant see it what it is, but Im not going to go on a fruitless endeavour to try to convince you otherwise. Its for people coming in so they know what really happens, not just what Carlbrook tells them.

Also, you say I dont know whats going on. Well, excuse me for Carlbrook not telling me specifics at all, and excuse you for ignoring me on AIM in a huff over this stupid school.

I know how the regressional seminar bullshit works, I know how the wilderness bullshit works. I dont know any other specfiics about Carlbrook, but if they use a seminar by any name - be it workshop or whatever - Im going to say something about it! I dont agree with regression and making children jump through emotional hoola-hoops, playing mind games and putting them on psychological rollercoasters! I also do not agree with having children telling other children what to do and having authority over them. Its risky, unsafe, and just begging for it to be taken advantage of.

Sure, you can paint me the prettiest picture on earth about Carlbrook, but the bottom line is the modicum of information youve chosen to divuldge doesnt convince me as being different from the other shit I've seen out there. Its secretive, vague, clouded in the haze of this new-agey bullshit that you and others spew who come out of those damn seminars, and seems to rest on nothing but 'accepting' youre messed up, and then influencing you to change to get out. Thats not therapy. That IS brainwashing.

BTW, stop speaking in vague terms and telling me about feelings and tell some damn specifics. When feelings are the only thing you speak of it supports my theory that its just a damn seminar-program because thats how a seminar WORKS - reducing you to emotions.


If you want to convince me its not like that, youre going to have to speak with DETAILS about what happens. DETAILS about the day to day life of the program. DETAILS about the authority and power and decisions exercised and made by oldcomers over newcomers. DETAILS about the workshops!

You give me feelings, that "I wont get it unless I go through it" and other feel-good bullshit. Ive heard it all before. It comes from everyone out of a program. When they all start to rhyme, then all start to sound the same, you get very, very suspicious.

BTW, I still can't find a rational reason why ALL children need to be put in a damned wilderness camp before Carlbrook except to help break them down. Seems to be painting with a large brush to say ALL children need it. I mean shit, you say theres no 'fixing' at carlbrook (sounds like more doublespeak) so why are they there? If they arent fixed, what happens to them?

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-08 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If a kid does not voluntarily AGREE (different than "want") to go to Carlbrook, the school will not accept them.

It has nothing to do with not being willing to parent your kids.  In fact, at a certain point, the best and most loving thing you can do for your kid is to admit that you can no longer help him or her and select a good program.  

Carlbrook does not recommend one wilderness program. SUWS and Second Nature are frequently chosen by the families, but there are many others."


Ginger signed herself into Straight 20 years ago. That was not willing. You can make people agree to something with coersion. Im really not impressed.

And yeah, abdicate to a program! Plug your ears with your fingers and tra la la la la all your damned life and make them spew seminar-speak like this anonymous Carlbrook graduate!

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2005, 04:33:00 PM »
We are not trying to convince you of anything.  We are trying to counter your uneducated rantings.
If you run away from Carlbrook you will be sent back to wilderness or sent to a different program- it's up to your parents.  Or-you can go home.  Two kids from our group ran away and were found in a few days.  They went to wilderness and then came back to Carlbrook.  They wound up being some of the strongest kids and one stayed to complete high school.
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2005, 06:10:00 PM »
I'd like to know when the trend to send kids to wilderness then straight to a locked boarding school began?

And who is pushing (oops, I mean selling) WT as the first step?  The Ed cons?  The program referral agents (the ones paid by the programs), the schools themselves?

I know program parents are some of the most gullible buffoons around, but you'd think they would smell the money at some point ... before they bought the farm?
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2005, 06:20:00 PM »
Can you read?  Carlbrook is not locked.  Many of the kids are already in wilderness before the parents even learn about Carlbrook as a next step option. Wilderness is a frequent first step taken by desperate parents whose teens need immediate help in a very different environment from that in the home community.  After the kids detox and spend some time getting at their core issues in wilderness, they are ready to move into a school environment such as Carlbrook or Oakley.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2005, 06:27:00 PM »
The threat of going to a 'tougher' TBS if you run from carlbrook is called 'coersion'. There need not be a lock on a door if the alternative is worse.

Plus, calling wilderness a first step without qualification is ridiculous. How is it therapeutic? Who said it was a necessary first step? Who said everyone needs it? Who said someone cant just go into a regular program? Who said you need any of this except the people selling it?

How does Carlbrook provide this therapy? How does it help people? What kind of power do the older students have over the younger ones? What kind of punishments are there, especially ones doled out by the older students? How are the children made to go to through the seminars? (workshops).

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