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« Reply #1185 on: April 20, 2006, 10:38:00 AM »
Are you kids jealous because you didn't get to go to boarding school?  Sounds like it. I wish we could have afforded to give our kids that opportunity. Several of my daughter's friends went to New England boarding schools and they absolutely loved it.
From what you are posting, it sounds like Karen's kids had some great education and it's neat that her family could provide that. The kids who go to boarding schools are not exactly locked up- far from it. They go to NYC on the weekends, go to Europe for breaks with classmates and make lifelong friends.
Now go back to flipping burgers.
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« Reply #1186 on: April 20, 2006, 11:09:00 AM »
Jealous that my mother couldn't sleep in the same house as me? Yeah.....   :rofl:  :roll: Karen, you crack me up.  :lol:
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« Reply #1187 on: April 20, 2006, 02:43:00 PM »
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All this started because DJ got his hand slapped last week and went away with his tail between his legs


What are you talking about?  Please provide some specifics on what you are talking about, because it bears no resemblence to reality.  I haven't been posting because I've been traveling and haven't had time.  Please don't inflate your self-worth by thinking you can control me in any fashion - you can't.

I don't recall any of you saying anything to refute a single item I have posted.  All I see is you trying to attack me personally for some contrived reason.

Show me where you have ever responded to any reasonable questions/comments with anything other than "you are shitheads."  It seems to me that your lack of understanding of the issues and your inabilty to express your viewpoint (if you have one) simply degenerates into your calling names.  

I don't recall where you have either made a valid argument about the clinical validity of Carlbrook or have adequately responded to anyone's questioning.  Instead you put your fingers in your ears and say "You're shitheads!  You're stupid!"  

It's obvious that you are lacking the intellectual werewithal to engage in meaningful debate, but your behavior illustrates why you were a terrible parent in the first place and is likely the etiological origin of your children's problems.  Put simply: you act like a child.  

If you are an emotional toddler, how can you effectively raise a child?  Well, you can't.  That's why your kid "required" psychiatric placement - you couldn't deal with the feelings surrounding child-rearing so you sent them away.

Anytime you'd like to debate the issues, please feel free to post something meaningful.
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« Reply #1188 on: April 20, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »
"Anytime you'd like to debate the issues, please feel free to post something meaningful"


Thats what we do DJ, except when someone doesnt agree with you, we have to listen to you cry about being attacked.  Dont try to turn it around, grow up!!
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« Reply #1189 on: April 20, 2006, 03:20:00 PM »
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Carlbrook has no business advertising itself as a therapeutic place for kids with emotional and substance abuse issues. For example, they are not licensed by the Virginia Office of Mental Health and Substance Abuse. You can look up licensed mental health and substance abuse programs here: http://www.dmhmrsas.virginia.gov/SVC-LPS-orgresult.asp



Who is crazy? The critics? Not based upon my research! Parents who send kids here do so at their own risk. There is minimal outside oversight at this facility. This program (because it is for-profit and nonreliant upon taxpayer funding, Medicaid, and private insurance) has a lot of freedom to "therapize" kids as they see fit. Carlbrook and its practitioners are not beholden to the same regulations as licensed providers.



They claim to treat kids with emotional problems. Why is there no psychiatrist (MD) on staff? Why is there only 1 licensed clinician in a long list of clinicians ("advisors")?



For $5700+ per month, I could think of research proven effective, safe, and less restrictive ways to treat kids with problems. And the parents would have more money in their pockets.



Emotional growth programs? Wilderness Therapy?They don't teach that garbage in any reputable, ethical, clinical graduate program. Why? Because it is NOT research proven effective.



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Unlicensed, unaccredited, not effective, extremely expensive...Sounds great!
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« Reply #1190 on: April 20, 2006, 03:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-20 12:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Anytime you'd like to debate the issues, please feel free to post something meaningful"





Thats what we do DJ, except when someone doesnt agree with you, we have to listen to you cry about being attacked.  Dont try to turn it around, grow up!!"


This is simply not true.  This is just another diversion.

I don't cry about anything.  I just point out that you have nothing to say so you personally attack others.  Again, don't conflate the issues.

This post is illustrative of my point:  nothing of substance and an ad hominem fallacy.  You're a one-trick pony.

BTW, who's "we"?  You're the only one posting.

Respond with something meaningful or go suck your thumb in the corner.
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« Reply #1191 on: April 20, 2006, 03:40:00 PM »
DJ, "we" (all of us) dont buy it anymore, go back to HLA.
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« Reply #1192 on: April 20, 2006, 03:48:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-20 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"DJ, "we" (all of us) dont buy it anymore, go back to HLA."


So, nothing meaningful then?  Why can't you just say that you have nothing to say?

"All of us" as in your multiple personalities?  There's still only you posting...
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« Reply #1193 on: April 20, 2006, 03:56:00 PM »
"multiple personalities"

Still making fun a people, just cant shake it.  Mental health professional?  Hmmmmm,  i am a neurosurgeon, with a minor in rocket science.  Want me to list my degrees?

HLA wants you back.  Bye
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« Reply #1194 on: April 20, 2006, 04:19:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-20 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

""multiple personalities"



Still making fun a people, just cant shake it.  Mental health professional?  Hmmmmm,  i am a neurosurgeon, with a minor in rocket science.  Want me to list my degrees?



HLA wants you back.  Bye"


What else am I supposed to call it when you keep referring to your singular self as "we"?  I'm not making fun of you.  I'm just pointing out an idiosyncrasy of yours.  You either are MPD or you are so pompous that you refer to yourself as "we."  Either way, it's a problem you should learn to deal with more effectively.

Just so you know, I'm NEVER LEAVING.  If you can't deal with that fact, move on.

That's three posts in a row with nothing to say.  For someone with nothing to say, you sure talk a lot! :lol:
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« Reply #1195 on: April 20, 2006, 04:27:00 PM »
And your contribution is?  I think you said less with more words!!  and your point?

You can stay, just stick with the subject matter and discuss properly, no need to attack people, just challenge the ideas.  Try not to label people or tag them with mental disorders, it is childish and an immature way to redirect the topic.  If you feel you cant contribute there are plenty of other threads who will accept yuor anger and ridicule and you will fit in
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« Reply #1196 on: April 20, 2006, 04:40:00 PM »
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You can stay, just stick with the subject matter and discuss properly, no need to attack people, just challenge the ideas.


One, I don't require your permission for anything, ever.

Two, I stay on topic nearly all of the time, except when debunking your personal attacks.

Three, you are the primary diverter of the subject matter and the most vulgar and vile epithet-hurler.

Four, I have consistently challenged your ideas using data from clinical studies of the adolescent population, six years of education and ten years of treatment experience.  You, on the other hand, resort to childish, nasty vituperations due to your lack of understanding of the issues and the science surrounding them.

Take your own advice.
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« Reply #1197 on: April 20, 2006, 05:02:00 PM »
I will take #2 as a sincere effort to comply (the rest , well, is smoke,and will let it go) lets stay focused on topic in the future.
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« Reply #1198 on: April 20, 2006, 05:46:00 PM »
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data from clinical studies of the adolescent population, six years of education and ten years of treatment experience.

this isn't called 'smoke'.  it's called education, experience and valid clinical information.  you might not be familiar with these concepts, but it doesn't lessen their importance.

what about what this practicing, licensed clinician has to say?

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Carlbrook has no business advertising itself as a therapeutic place for kids with emotional and substance abuse issues. For example, they are not licensed by the Virginia Office of Mental Health and Substance Abuse. You can look up licensed mental health and substance abuse programs here: http://www.dmhmrsas.virginia.gov/SVC-LPS-orgresult.asp



Who is crazy? The critics? Not based upon my research! Parents who send kids here do so at their own risk. There is minimal outside oversight at this facility. This program (because it is for-profit and nonreliant upon taxpayer funding, Medicaid, and private insurance) has a lot of freedom to "therapize" kids as they see fit. Carlbrook and its practitioners are not beholden to the same regulations as licensed providers.



They claim to treat kids with emotional problems. Why is there no psychiatrist (MD) on staff? Why is there only 1 licensed clinician in a long list of clinicians ("advisors")?



For $5700+ per month, I could think of research proven effective, safe, and less restrictive ways to treat kids with problems. And the parents would have more money in their pockets.



Emotional growth programs? Wilderness Therapy?They don't teach that garbage in any reputable, ethical, clinical graduate program. Why? Because it is NOT research proven effective.



LMSW Woman


seems like a pretty reasonable critique of carlbrook to me.  i trust the people who work in legitimate practices, not some anonymous parent who has a vested interest in promoting carlbrook.
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« Reply #1199 on: April 20, 2006, 06:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-18 05:58:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2006-02-17 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Anonymous poster who doubts my existence: I just looked in the mirror, and yes, I am real. No, I did not think I was sending him to "golf camp", I thought I was sending him to an environment that fosters "intellectual, social, and personal development" as Carlbrook  told me. You might have viewed it as a punishment I did not. My mistake. I came here to share my own experience and I find your rudeness and dismissiveness rather ironic considering your warnings earlier. Nobody else has been rude to me other than you. I suggest you take a look at your own actions before condemning everyone else. -Joe"




Hey, Joe.  Thank you for sharing your experience with Carlbrook on the board.  What you are saying does not surprise me in the least.



Your observation about this anon Carlbrook supporter is spot on.  S/he came on here and began to rudely insult everyone in a "preemptive" fashion.  This is typical of control-freak types that can't stand to have alternative viewpoints expressed.



That being said, people like Her/him support the program blindly.  They have taken a leap of faith and have discarded the scientific method entirely.  As I have explained before, these type of programs are not the "latest and greatest," but rather are the dredged up, cobbled-together pieces of behavioral science and psychotherapy that the professional mental health society had debunked and cast aside decades ago.  Carlbrook is doing nothing more than rehashing the obvious mistakes of treatment modalities long dead and buried by scientific method and clinical study.  The facts are that Carlbrook's methods have been debunked, proven ineffective and shown to cause damage to the developing mind for DECADES.



To reiterate: There is NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CLINICAL STUDY THAT SUPPORTS THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT.  Yet there are several dozens of clinical studies that show this methodology causes DAMAGE such as PTSD (just to name one).



So, what we are dealing with here, Joe, is people who refuse to look at proven fact so that they may retreat into "good feelings" doled out by the folks that fleeced them out of their money and hurt their children.  These are the same type of people who believe in "Intelligent Design."  They will cast aside proven fact and embrace insane concepts, so long as they can feel "right" about it in the end.



Welcome to the board and please don't be discouraged by crackpots and flamers.  Any intelligent, fact and reality based assessment of the precious program will be met with extreme hostility and ad hominem attacks.  It comes with the territory."


Joe was very unsatisfied with Carlbrook, to say the least.  He was harangued for saying so.
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