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[Anonymous]

Hey Jersey Girl just want to say sorry for biting your head off.
The last thing I would want to is be ugly to another survivor especially one who had the guts to speak out and went through as much as you did, God or good luck or your own strong spirit and brains bless and I hope you have a great life.
Zen sorry too, you did a whole lot, interviewing people and finding out info.  I’m sorry to have given you grief after all you have done and been through.

I probably do sound like I’m on a soap box out off the context of my life, but to me everything I say I’ve sadly lived. I just haven’t figured out how to put it on paper yet so people get it and I don’t sound like they need to take away my megaphone.
I’m pretty frustrated as you all can probably see, and angry
I sort of have to be a door mat in my life or I get threatened badly by my family or fired.
I'm about done with it, sure I can't say anything to my family but I can find a better job.
It creates some bottled up anger I guess, I never go on chat rooms so I’m not used to them.
I think some of the stuff I wrote made me feel vulnerable and I was mad when the responses to what I wrote weren’t what I wanted.

I know too with myself sometimes when some one says something I take it more personally than it was meant, probably PTS from abuse really,
Like the Lindsey Lohan comment, that wasn’t about me really,
no offense to Lindsey but I don’t get the feeling she’s much of a writer or you know? But of course already feeling touchy and criticized I get all sarcastic and take it as an insult.
I think some of the guys on this site did that with my sexual harassment comments, like I take things out of context all the time.

All I’m saying is the abuse people have suffered makes them touchy.  
Again though it wasn’t about any one on here, I was talking about the really severe sexual bullying girls and guys actually often face in high school and else where.
I’ll post stuff on here if I feel like its relevant.  

I didn’t mean to bad mouth guys, I know lots of really nice great guys who tell dirty jokes and swear, they aren’t threatening and it isn’t sexual bullying?  I know that the boys in programs need just as much help in dispelling prejudices about them as the girls.
I also see how some of the stuff I have said could be taken against teenage guys, a lot of them like South Park I think.  
No comment on males and bathroom humor.
I only know the girls perspective.  
I wasn't talking about any of the guys on here.  
Again trust me PTS makes you take thing personally even when they don't really mean the same thing.  

I got defensive about Abigail because I feel sorry for the girl and she’s so young really and the guy was so old, and I get sick of people looking at people with the prejudice I see else where like TV.  
She’s just a person, only out of a prison camp and without much support.
She’ll probably get it together once she implodes, her working in a strip club is a really bad thing, I think.  
Like she could die and I’m sure she faces even more really really bad abuse.
Strip clubs, I’ve been in one once, but I’ve met women who worked in one, two girls in one of my community college classes, one of the women I worked with at a nice up market restaurant, are really really bad and abusive too, especially for some eighteen, nineteen year old girl out of PV.
 
No offense but I do think people should try to be more compassionate and not just joke offhand.  Everyone talks about sex and peoples sex lives all the time, but I wish everyone, myself included sometimes would look at life as it really is.
Like Abigail is really young and I think she’s being used and exploited and while I might have gossiped about it, when I look at it from the outside it seemed to promote prejudice.
But trust me I talk the same way and I shouldn’t have come in all combative just said the above nicely and I think everyone would have probably agreed on some level and things would have been more positive and constructive.
That’s it.  Thanks for giving out my personal info, real happy about that, that was just low and dangerous,
oh I don't like her let's put her in danger?  
Pretty damn wrong and you should feel bad.
and the Mr. Penis guy needs to look at things from someone else perspective once in a while.  
I know we’re all teenage boys or men or whatever and South Parks funny and all, which it is sometimes, but it’s scary when directed at someone and threatening and try to see how people really are and feel in a situation and not just come back in anger or with the first thing that pops in your head.  Myself included.
I think most of us probably are on the same side, at least about PV.

I'm rereading Virginia Woolfs A Room of One's Own again, it's the one with that whole Shakespeare's sister thing.  
 And I'm not just I'm makeing snooty book references, which I do because I don't want people to think PV people are idiots.  
everyone's good at something, please don't make me do Calculus or long division.
It's a really good short essay about feminism.  very empowering.  like it's really good, much better then my rambling
Feminism's no joke.  
Neither is getting payed 7.25 an hour for working 32hrs a week at Barnes & Nobles.  just saying
or being put in a prison camp, or being attacked and flashed and living with my parents or with my ex or in my neighborhood, or my whole dangerous scary stupid life.

as for all the rest of this chat room crap it's always the same,
this is why I remember I don't go on them
we always have the perve and of course the twelve year old boy,
it's a chat room so everyone is anonymous and therefore much ruder and more open then they would be in real life, which makes everyone angry and even ruder.
I have a theory that a lot of people are pretty angry anyway and it tends to come out in chat rooms.
on Fornits I see a lot of paranioa too,
your the troll you didn't say what i wanted to hear,
no your the troll and so on back and forth forever,
then on Fornits you have the real trolls too just to add to the mayhem
nothing like program survivors with PTS in a chat room probably with some program people.
it's kind of horrifyingly interesting really.
but  tiring and i'm done being bothered by it.
if I find any more good relevant stuff about PV or the industry I'll post otherwise it's a waste of time stress and energy

[nimdA]

Mokara I'm glad to see you back. Thanks for being here and speaking up.

[Anonymous]

hi threesprings, sorry, you said that before I remember,
water under the bridge.
lets go from here


did I mention it's hard to get into colleges out of PV?
l
ike they don't really want to take kids out of a behavioral modification facility and if you don't list it they want to know where are those two years of high school credits ?

Also how hard it is to do normal college homework, even when you test pretty high?
Alough as for tests, it's so fair to penalize kids who's lives are in as much unheaval as a lot of the kids in PV's have been.  
some of the Foster kids especially had been sent here and there and all over the damn place, with school not playing a really big part.
sometomes it seems like the people in charge get all fat headed and are more worried about their little power trips then the teens lives on a practical level.
and then PV won't allow them to read or have books?
and they go to school half the school week?
and miss months of school because they are on shut down and staring at a wall?
we had the full three months of summer of course with no school, just work detail 7 days a week with no free time?
and no homework or writing papers?
how the hell are you supposed to be able to do well in college at eighteen if you haven't been to school the full school week, can't write a paper, and haven't been allowed to read?
not to mention abused and beaten down and had psychotic undereducated adults mess with your head 24 7.
just saying, you can call me crazy if you please.
I think i'm lucid, I guess all crazy people do,
damn it stop calling me that you jerks
undermining my credability and confidence does what to help kids in PV?

[Froderik]

Neither is getting payed 7.25 an hour for working 32hrs a week at Barnes & Nobles.

Forget CAFETY, boycott Barnes & Noble!

[nimdA]

hi threesprings, sorry, you said that before I remember,
water under the bridge.
lets go from here

Young lady.. you are full of win tonight.



Though you bring up a question I've tried to ask to another person about PV's ed program.

Is it worth while or a useless waste of time?

[nimdA]

never mind I just answered my own question when I read your post carefully.

PV education is about as good as the porta crappers they had you all use.

You know mokara if you want to post in a forum without getting trolled you are more than welcome to post in my facilities forum.

There are no guests allowed in Facilities to prevent trolling from happening.

[Anonymous]

i'll try to keep the personal sagas to a minimum too.
but they relate some of them I think
like when I called the police because my mother hit me?
or how she threatens me with something like PV if I step out of line at all
"I'll call the police and tell them PV said your Bi polar?"  
If I talk back to her or say
"mother your view that I was molested as a 14 year old virgin, by an abusive stalking scary adult, because I was a &%^$&%$, direct quote, and it's all my fault is a bit extreme, much, wrong and there were certainly many factors at play?"
like the large scary man you did nothing about?  

I think this sadly enough true scenario, is pretty telling somehow as to what really goes on in some program familys, and in life in general

I'm not saying they make me wear a full burka,
how does one spell burka?
or bind my feet
or threaten to have me committed or arrested if I do anything other then what they want, and I don't do much, I don't drink, use drugs, go out in the evening?
 Oh wait they do do that.
my parents are dictators,
I basically get very good grades,school is my ticket out of here, and work.
or if I try to tell them why wanting me to bind my feet is wrong and perhaps how we should go about ruling my life some other way?

and how I can't get away from this because i need to finish college and I make 7.25 and hr working at Barnes & Nobles.
I am simply trying to point out how ignorant and hypocritical the point of view is that allows PV to isolate teens from police and lawyers and places them with no outside contact under PV at the will of parents.
And how hypocritical and ignorant the system is that accepts the girls as unquestionably at fault when hello history here people
you know all those thousands and thousands of years of people behaving  badly,
the reason we usually have checks and balances on the behavior of random people who open a prison camp in the mountains of appalachia for large profit.
just saying it's damn ignorant and I think my saga illustrates this well

I refer to history because it proves this, that humans need checks on their behavior otherwise they open prison camps in the backwoods of appalachia, create exploitative work systems, somewhere in between NC cotton mills and slavery, and build gulags, WWII, the apartied, need I ramble on?
 do we need to look at the marriage laws of the 14th century?  they involved arranged marriages and beatings if the girl did not comply or the 19th century.  

All I'm saying is everything PV would defend itself with is stupid and we are all stupid and playing with a different deck of cards then reality for buying any of its prejudice.

the only thing that PV could defend itself rationally with is allowing the girls to be interviewed by the police.

SOME ONE OUT OF PV FOR UNDER A YEAR, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! CALL THE POLICE, REPORT THE ABUSE AND SAY YOU WILL HAVE AN INVESTIGATION.  Some one needs to interview those teen.  Didn't Zen call them, and they said they could only investigate reports of assault on a damn staff member, damn appalachian networking!  Did his daughter call and report the abuse after she got out?

[Anonymous]

I think what I'm saying is a lot of kids in PV don't have great home lives, and Foster care sucks,
i still want to know why all the Foster kids and group home kids came in with lice?
they can't stop lice in group homes and foster care,
once again what century is this?
they would make us  brush each others hair with lice combs every time there was an out break and there was an outbreak every time a new foster kid came in, it was a bit much.
so the whole, "the teens and kids are completely at fault and freaks or juvenile delinquents," not to mention many of them are in for nothing more then depression? or some mood disorder of anorexia or like the website said “effects of traumatic experience,” is ridiculous.  
Also a pretty dumb crappy argument from the people who are supposed to provide therapy for them”  

Has anybody done any research into the ancient to recent history of the juvenile justice system, foster care and until the Disabilities Act in the 70's, treatment of those with handicaps,
Jesus talk about people behaving badly.
I think we look at the sterilized version of life to much, and accept that things that never have really been great, to horrible, are now just peachy.
Of course the guy selling the crap says it's good, duh.

[Anonymous]

again too teenagers can't get away from their families,
where are they going to go?
if they run away they are in great trouble?
from both the system and other abusive adults,
like men or women that would sexually exploit or molest them.
their parents are it, until they are 18
and a 18 year old needs parents and support too, for sure.
what if a teacher is abusive,
why can't a teacher be abusive?
they are just people, out of all of them, one your child has probably is somewhat?  
History and books tell us that in hindsight many of them have been.
Look up 19th century English boys schools
Or what if they are being bullied very badly in school?
or the kids in school drink and use drugs?
what if home is dangerous and school is dangerous
what if your parents are alcoholics or  drug addicts?
do you tell your abusive parents?
Do the abusive parents listen or just blame you and abuse you more?
do you get yourself moved to a group home, with the lice?
or put in a foster home?
what do you do?  
there is no where to go to avoid abuse,
everyone abusing you always tells you your aren't being abused and it's your fault.
and these kids are just supposed to know enough to get good grades,  avoid the pressures to drink and have sex,
and you don't think your average girl in high school isn't under a lot of pressure to have sex?
think again, but if she does?
of course she's not lonely or desperate for care and affection.
then what?
what can they do?

All I’m saying is too many adults have too much power without enough balance over too many underage inexperienced kids, and the kids are being abused in general and then they react to the abuse by acting out and they are abused more.
The burden of proof lies with the teens and the adults are always in power.
Humans abuse other humans when they have too much power over them
It’s not just the adults or the teens, it’s just people overall
 some schools the teens are neck deep in sexual harassment, drinking, pressure to have sex, minor drug use and bullying and if your kid comes home with stories about any of the above be thankful they are telling you and believe them because it’s the truth.
Kids really want to belong in their peer group, it’s a very powerful influence, and they don’t have any idea why it’s dangerous.  
Home schooling kids in trouble really might work,
Getting them away from the peer group is really important too
I don’t think all the surface crap we are supposed to worry or judge people for makes any damn sense. And teens reject that kind of teaching
Oh my God they drank it’s a sin, no they simply drank something because they were told it would make them cool.  There is no sin there, there is only some danger because drinking impairs your ability to function and be aware of what’s going on around you.
 It makes you vulnerable.  This really applies with alcohol and pot at the same time.
Also teens are ridiculous light weights.
they might be molested or date raped? Or driving drunk.
The problem is the danger and if it has a negative outcome,
The real problems of a situation
That’s why abstinence only sex ed is so annoying to say the least.
It’s also pretty ignorant as to the world around the kids, we have the Puritans doing the sex ed and Sex in the City and everything else everywhere else
It sounds fine from the outside, ok no sex for little jimmy or jill, sounds nice and clean and like some made up 1950’s organized
Also the abstinence only teaching is warped.
they get this weird creepy crap that of course teens are going to reject and then get in more trouble
Once again not above using abuse, stigma and prejudice as a teaching tool
my favorite part is when they pull all the petals off a rose and tell kids “they are a thorny stem with nothing left to give their partners? If they have sex before marriage”
The school nurse in NC isn’t allowed to talk about or answer questions about contraception?
What about abusive relationships, like when some jack ass you barely like and vice versa tries to pressure you to have sex with him?  What about the negative outcomes of unprotected sex?
Again women in the eighteen hundreds had like ten kids half of whom died.  
I’m sorry that’s scary and not very hopeful but it’s true.
It’s damn catch 22 you run off and are abused because your in an abusive situation so they abuse you more.

Some schools are fine, but there will be lots of signs if the situation isn’t ok.
Then getting the teen out of the situation might help a lot.
Situations I have found are really hard to get away from though,
they actually have to get why it’s dangerous and agree to it themselves,
or they will just do it anyway.
School, getting a good job when you’re an adult, getting through college.
Is the most important thing really, all ego issues who gives a damn.
Are they in danger, explain why to them and help them get a good job.
Real estate, insurance sales person, contractor, electrician? Nurse, I don’t know something and help and support too,
if they aren’t going to do the whole BS BA thing.
It’s hard and I love to read. Like some people it might just not be their thing.
Recognize too the teen lives in context, if they say a teachers a jerk, they might be a jerk.
Fight on their side sometimes, and believe and support them
Don’t leave them to navigate adults and the rest of the world on their own while they are yelled at without any advice, don’t drive them out into it. Listen too them.

[Anonymous]

i guess all i'm saying is what matters more then smacking a kid around to learn them not to drink or something
is teaching them to be a safe adult in relation to alcohol and other stuff.
alcohols not evil, sex isn't evil, although it can be dangerous.

THe way sex is handled, and always has been is pretty crappy though,
sex is biologically based, teens and other humans can't help it.  
It's the way we are made.
so we beat them up over it, real fair and sane.
and the teens are crazy? and like abusing them in relation to sex isn't going to breed a bunch of people with weird issues.

i think schools sometimes are so weird too, like they beat up on some seventh grader for not turning in their homework?
beating up on them is going to do what good?
mom and dad are getting a divorce or something, mom found out about the secretary and it's hit the fan, total 24 7 nut house?
the kid tests ok and reads and does all the math?
harassing the kids, making them go through the meetings in the office, the shame, the constant parental pressure, the telephone calls and so on.
putting them on ritalin or adderall the amphetamine?
so they have some "disorder" now, not to mention a drug habit.
this is really going to help the kid get through high school, or become a successful adult?
in the long run or the near future is all this adult bureaucratic crude going to do anything more then endanger the child and therefore make them less likely to become a successful adult?
or even to survive adolescents sometimes?
a twelve year old isn't a business man, why does it have to turn in all this homework everyday or else it's abused?
i think that's a horrible system,
what are we teaching them, not to question authority, and a Puritan work ethic?
and if you buck the crappy system?

You have, taken right of PV's admission criteria,

"Disordered conduct and oppositional behavior
ADD/ADHD
Disrespect of adult authority
Unhealthy self-centeredness
Unwillingness to adhere to conventional values/standards
Inability to behave independently and autonomously"

and this isn't kind of like Communism meets bad Darwin for preteens how?  why does communism seem to turn into darwinism is another question maybe?  

I'm still trying to figure out what the "Inability to behave independently" bit is about.
I'm guessing it was thrown in for good measure for those parents who are annoyed with the needyness of their child for attention and affection.
Self centered impatient busy emotionally distant adults want less needy more "stoic" a word of my mothers, children?
Just do it, never thought I'd hate the Nike slogan, but sometimes they don't Just do it?
I'm amazed some teens survived the toddler years, do kids, just do anything? young humans are pretty dependent overall.

sorry to have taken up all this space rambling away, some of it is relevant, maybe?
sorry, I won't write anything for a bit.  I think I've said everything there is possibly to say twice at this point.

[Anonymous]

all I'm saying is most of the cutters in PV, I'm guessing above situation.
have you ever been stuck in a house with a women who just found out her husbands been cheating on her?
years later she's still screaming all the time?
if you couldn't get away from that, you'd be nawing your foot off too.

and there is too much pressure in the schools,
smart kids are getting "left behind" because of it.
they beat wonderful, intelligent creative kids up because they don't jump through hoops and do all the idiotic busy work.
this senseless competative hyperactive pressure causes anorexia too, as does the other aspects of life just discussed like bullying.
it also leads kids to run off and reject what teaching is there to keep them safe, then they are molested and abused more.
when you think about it, what intelligent creative person isn't going to have problems with days and days in government issue, cinder block rooms, at the mercy of a slew of underpaid overworked random adults.

I think the entire environment is poisoning the kids.
the way they act is how a normal living creature acts when it's stuck in a cage and being abused. just saying, look up how your average animal acts in a cage, and how your average teen with problems acts and see if from a rat in a maze perspective there aren't similarities

Not every teen has the same level of stress too, some are better suited for what we demand without any deterance from them.
humans are pretty tough, but I think they show signs of stress.
i think the stuff in PV looks a lot like pretty severe stress reactions

[Anonymous]

not all schools are bad either.
I know of really great schools, some are though for sure

[stoodoodog]

never mind I just answered my own question when I read your post carefully.

PV education is about as good as the porta crappers they had you all use.

You know mokara if you want to post in a forum without getting trolled you are more than welcome to post in my facilities forum.

There are no guests allowed in Facilities to prevent trolling from happening.

My daughter at least found education time to be a welcome reprieve from the rest of the program. She felt like the quality of the education was poor, but the teachers were kinder than staff and time spent learning was time much better spent than time sitting on your bed.
She recently ran into one of the teachers she had at PV. She knew him before she went there because he was a popular substitute in her regular school. She said when she first saw him there she was happy  to see a familiar face, but later felt disappointed because she thought he should be somewhere much better than PV. She was very happy when he told her he was no longer working there.

[Froderik]

All I’m saying is too many adults have too much power without enough balance over too many underage inexperienced kids, and the kids are being abused in general and then they react to the abuse by acting out and they are abused more.

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and there is too much pressure in the schools,
smart kids are getting "left behind" because of it.
they beat wonderful, intelligent creative kids up because they don't jump through hoops and do all the idiotic busy work.

True...and...true!

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[Anonymous]

She was very happy when he told her he was no longer working there.

Get him to testify, if not in your case, then before the GAO.