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« Reply #660 on: July 19, 2007, 03:47:51 PM »
After checking out the latest edition of the Vision, I went back and read the old Village Visions including the hard copies I have in my file. What is the disclaimer that is used in the media? Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental-something along those lines...(insert places along with people for PV)

It appears as though PV spends an enormous amount of money on recruiting patients, pr and marketing and cuts corners when it comes to treatment. Is this a common practice among programs?
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« Reply #661 on: July 20, 2007, 10:58:14 PM »
PV brochure isn't all that great.  Somebody took an Adobe InDesign class.  
Big deal I could make that brochure in under a week with software.
 Adobe is cool.  It's cut and paste off the internet.  
The software costs over a hundred dollars. oooooo aaaaaa.  
not a huge expense considering.
I like how they list new family therapists and juggle them around like family therapists really live with the kids and see them more then once in a while when they are behaving.
you don't get family therapy unless you are "behaving."
they also talk about recently acquiring two new doctors.
 It's a weird news letter really,
I wonder why they reintroduce us to Bob Pegler, with his certification in ropes course and addiction.
It's almost like they are trying to prove they at least have some qualified staff and that Bobs certifications do count for something.
of course there are no daily counselors in the news letter as always.
the whole bit about PST and the effects of trauma and how they focus on the kids having been abused and such is so weird.
what liars!
the staff members account is just warped.

Jersey girl you were in PV recently, so was Zen's daughter.
It's exactly the same as it always has been
there is no therapy

the guy in the picture with his fist raised toward the girl is more how PV operates.  
Yet they have the nerve to talk about the neurological impact on people of long term abuse.  
What purpose could their denouncement therapy with staff members we don’t see anywhere on the websites, serve?
 How is abusing abuse victims going to help them.
How dare they.  
Then they go on to mention some kid on Meth or something, the big bad scary drug,
when most of the kids in there haven’t tried anything more then pot.
When I was in there were four or so girls the entire time, who had done more serious drugs,  
the rest had at worse smoked pot.    

PV is not what it pretends to be.  Everything I said is true as is what Jerseygirl and all the rest posted as well.
In reality PV puts kids in a pretty small room and sits them on cots and wont let them move without permission.
Then it torments them for months.
Has therapy denouncement sessions with goons with a high school diploma or GED.
Then work detail with a school with no homework.
I don’t think I saw anything once of what you could call kindness compassion empathy, from any of the staff towards any of the teens while I was in there.
And this is to some foster kid with no family who didn’t do anything other than get in a fight at a group home, or the little thirteen year old who’s father had been shot and because of newsletters like this one the state thought she needed a safer more understanding place to live then with alcoholic mom.
I saw them restrain the little foster kid a lot for hours for no good reason with staff standing around cracking jokes.    
What really goes on in PV is just like everyone here has described.
If the police were to go into PV today and question a few kids randomly, they would all say the exact same thing everyone on here has been saying, I am sure.
Please somebody go in and interview a few of the kids in PV randomly.
 

PV brochure isn't all that great.  
Somebody took an Adobe InDesign class.  
Big deal I could make that brochure in under a week with software.
 Adobe is cool.  It's cut and paste off the internet.  
The software costs over a hundred dollars. oooooo aaaaaa.  
not a huge expense considering.
I like how they list new family therapists and juggle around older employees the ones that have degrees.
Even the family therapists have been “placed in new roles.”
like family therapists really live with the kids and see them more then once in a while when they are behaving.  you don't get family therapy unless you are "behaving.”
One of the therapists got her degrees from Johnston's bible college.
PV certainly has a sort of renounce your shameful sins theme, self flagellation thing.  
It's a weird news letter really,
I wonder why they reintroduce us to Bob Pegler, with his certification in ropes course and addiction.
It's almost like they are trying to prove they at least have some qualified staff and that Bobs certifications do count for something.
of course there are no daily counselors in the news letter as always.

the whole bit about PST and the effects of trauma and how they focus on the kids having been abused and such is so weird.
what liars!
the staff members account is just warped.

Jersey girl you were in PV recently, so was Zen's daughter.
It's exactly the same as it always has been
there is no therapy

the guy in the picture with his fist raised toward the girl is more how PV operates.  
Yet they have the nerve to talk about the neurological impact on people of long term abuse.  
What purpose could their denouncement therapy with staff members we don’t see anywhere on the websites, serve?
 How is abusing abuse victims going to help them.
How dare they.  
Then they go on to mention some kid on Meth or something, the big bad scary drug,
when most of the kids in there haven’t tried anything more then pot.
When I was in there were four or so girls the entire time, who had done more serious drugs,  
the rest had at worse smoked pot.    

PV is not what it pretends to be.  Everything I said is true as is what Jerseygirl said and all the rest posted as well.
In reality PV puts kids in a pretty small room and sits them on cots and wont let them move without permission.
Then it torments them for months.
Has therapy denouncement sessions with goons with a high school diploma or GED.
Then work detail
with a school with no homework.
I don’t think I saw anything once of what you could call kindness compassion empathy, from any of the staff towards any of the teens while I was in there.
And this is to some foster kid with no family who didn’t do anything other than get in a fight at a group home,
or the little thirteen year old who’s father had been shot and because of newsletters like this one the state thought she needed a safer more understanding place to live then with alcoholic mom.
I saw them restrain the little foster kid a lot for hours for no good reason with staff standing around cracking jokes.    
What really goes on in PV is just like everyone here has described.
If the police were to go into PV today and question a few kids randomly, they would all say the exact same thing everyone on here has been saying, I am sure.
Please somebody go in and interview a few of the kids in PV randomly.
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« Reply #662 on: July 20, 2007, 11:15:28 PM »
I like how they list new family therapists and juggle around older employees the ones that have degrees.
Even the family therapists have been “placed in new roles.”

the new healthy diet thing is pretty damn funny too.
what a pile of distraction.
It seems bogus when you look at it right, like from having lived the truth.
but damn are they some creepy people

every alumni here says the same thing.
that has to count for something

PV is really bad.
they won't let you read
there is no homework
there is no electricity or running water
we have porta potties.
we got to go to school half the school week
and we got no free time
when we went on Shutdown we didn't go to school for five months
there is nonstop hard physical labor on strong guinea pig drugs
 
PV staff are psychotic and abusive.
has anyone mentioned the GYN exam they give girls like the second or third day in?
this is after restraining you and so one.
it was really traumatic.
they do it to all the girls like the third day and staff are there and such
not very nice for those dealing with abuse.
they announce to the entire group as to the results of your tests.
there was one foster kid with an STD and they announced it to everyone.
and made her go over it and over it and over it again.
poor thing.
the higher ups in PV know too,
there is a sort of horrible very simplistic abusive formula that PV follows to keep order really I think
it certainly isn't therapy
Abigails book captures it as do the rest of stuff written about PV
it is far more abuse and control then anything even slightly like therapy
It's a prison camp a real live prison camp.
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« Reply #663 on: July 21, 2007, 03:00:55 AM »
this is one of my posts from the myspace group on PV
www.myspace.com/villagescum
check it out if you have a chance




thats just the thing...they break people down to a mere nothing...
If someone has clinical depression, PTSD, Anxiety, etc
they dont need to be beat down anymore..they need to be built back up. Make them feeel good rather than worse... breaking people down is for criminals or someone with antisocial traits, so they might realize what they are doing wrong. But PVs admission criteria is that they help depression, Post traumatic, anxiety, and things of that nature. they claim not to admit anyone violent or homicidal.
So they contradict their admission criteria with the fucked up methods they use to "treat" their patients.

I believe every patient has been hurt by Peninsula. Whether they still support them or not is the difference between alumni.
Those who support PV, there is something called learned helplessness. Sort of like Stockholm Syndrome.
Look it up. Tell me if you agree.
Those who fight PV, were really actually the strong ones who did not let Peninsula take their identity and values hostage
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« Reply #664 on: July 22, 2007, 12:58:31 AM »
Since we have a growing number of  PV survivors on Fornits now, spanning from the late '90's to the present, I'd like to re-post  excerpts from Kat Ricker's excellent paper The Crime of Being A Teenager[/b].  This is an insightful work, one of the first I read on the troubled teen industry.  On first read it hit home, but as time passes and I return to it, I see what a concise look at the origin and nature of teen programs Kat's essay is.

A word of encouragement to Mokara, our man in Venice Beach DYS, the mysterious informant Kreflo, and SettleForNothing...PV is getting itchy, long-timers are leaving, and the Hand of Fate - the Stark Fist of Removal - is winding up to pimp-slap PV into a coma.  The sword of Damocles is hanging over their heads...who's got some wire cutters?

Settle, you've been like a shot of adrenaline, and I want to thank you again.  We've been friends for a while, you were great support when my wife and I were struggling to get our daughter home and afterwards, too.  You got through some tough times, and I know thinking about PV stirs up the memories and old anger.  You've focused it, though, and you're becoming the hardest working lady in activism.  

Here's an excerpt from Kat Ricker's The Crime of Being A Teenager[/b].
(Emphasis added by ZA):


GOOD HELP IS HARD

There is no way these programs can blame aberrant employees, because this is systemic.
The staffers are as much products of the programs as the incarcerated teens in their
charge.
Where do these employees come from? A quick, random visit to program websites shows
that most are constantly looking for “field staff”, and most do not ask for degrees in
psychology, medicine, nor any college education at all.
[/b] An ad for a Utah-based program
posted on Oregon Craigslist just last month asked only for “primitive living skills”, while
promising the most rewarding job of your life. North Star hired Bacon’s counselors
literally off the street by men who pulled over in a pick-up truck and offered them a job
taking kids camping for a few weeks.
As in any industry, workers move from business to business within it. Twenty-six year-
old Eric Henry was among those convicted of child abuse and neglect in Bacon’s death.
He was ordered not to work for similar programs for nine months, yet six months later, he
was on staff at Sage Walk. The next year, he was on staff at Obsidian Trails.
But more acceptable hiring policies do not guarantee improvement. Recently, the nation
has been riveted by the televised, videotaped deadly beating of 14 year-old Martin Lee
Anderson, just hours after he was admitted – not into a private program, but a
government one – Bay County Sheriff's Office Boot Camp. A nurse took the boy’s pulse
as guards beat him for 90 minutes, long after his body had gone limp. Documents show
the punching, kicking and pressure-point techniques the guards used were routine. Lee’s
second autopsy showed that he died of suffocation; the guards held their hands over his
mouth and forced him to inhale ammonia sticks to keep him conscious (which finally
failed). Staff regularly used these sticks to force teens to keep exercising (Miami Herald,
coverage ongoing since January 2006).

UNDERSTANDING THE ABUSERS

While the sadistic sociopath may well find his way onto program staffs, most arguably
sadistic staffers are made, not hired. “If you can’t beat them, join them” is a cliché for a
reason - these systems are designed so that the only way to survive the abuse is to
become an abuser. Programs are full of staff that “graduated” the program
[/b], and some put
deviating staffers back into the program as patients, until they’re fixed.
Judge K. L. McIff ruled that the North Star program was “fraught with a desensitizing
mentality” which contributed to the death of Aaron Bacon. This mentality is critical to
these operations, and it is systematically created. Staffers are conditioned to see their
prisoners as less than human: they have done bad things, deserve to be punished, and will
“manipulate” staffers in order to escape their deserved punishment.
[/b] So staffers disregard
any cry for help or complaint of pain. That’s why Bacon, whom his fellow captives
recognized as seriously ill, was accused of faking, right through his death. That’s why 12
year-old Mikey Wiltsie was accused of “playing possum” when he claimed he couldn’t
breathe, and his 320-pound counselor crushed his 65-pound body to death (Eckerd Youth
Alternatives, 2000). That’s why the body of 15 year-old Erica Harvey lied dead for 45
minutes after dehydration and heat stroke killed her – because the counselors thought she
was “faking it” (Catherine Freer Wilderness Program, 2002).
It is difficult for most of us to understand the mindset of the people in charge at these
programs. How can you tell a girl held 13 years, as Lulu Corter was, who’s gnawing a
hole in her arm, to go ahead and hurt herself? How can you insist she face her sexual
predator and take responsibility for her pre-pubescent molestation, tell her she is obsessed
with sex, stand over her on the toilet and dictate the number of times she may wipe? How
can you tease a 15 year-old girl like Michelle Sutton, moments before she went blind and
died of dehydration, that her parched white mouth makes her look like she’s been eating
marshmallows? How can you force a remarkably intelligent and peacemaking boy like 16
year-old Aaron Bacon to hike without pants after he repeatedly loses control of his
bowels from a perforated ulcer; how can you take away his blanket in freezing
temperatures, deny him food for days on end, laugh and tell him he’s faking it when he
collapses again and again; how can you mock him while his head beats the window of the
pick-up in the final, gruesome moments of his young life? How, for that matter, can you
convince someone who’s never abused drugs, alcohol, food or sex to confess to all these
perversions and more, under the verbal assault of scores of peers, and how can you
convince this victim and parents that this “treatment” saved the person’s life?

By brainwashing.

HOW IT WORKS

To explain thought coercion in teen treatment programs, Maia Szalavitz outlines the work
of professor Robert Jay Lifton in her book Help at Any Cost. Lifton was the first
Westerner to classify mind-control methods, after interviewing prison survivors of
Chinese prison camps from the 1940s and ‘50s. At the risk of oversimplification, the
system works like this – to extreme degrees: subject people to constant surveillance;
control their environment (induce sleep and food deprivation, restrict communication);
exhaust them; break them down physically and psychologically; elicit confessions (real
or invented); and finally reprogram their life perspective via “mystical manipulation”:
convince them that everything in their lives has led them to this program
(there are no coincidences), and that the program represents THE ultimate power of good in the universe
(so that any means justify the ends).
It is no accident that these programs have continued for decades and produce both people
who swear it’s the best thing that ever happened to them and people who refuse to talk
about it at all, and it is no accident that survivors who end up in court typically come with
genuine diagnoses of depression and post-traumatic stress.
[/b] These are the outcomes this
system produces, and there are no studies on the effectiveness – nor the longterm effects
– of these “therapy” programs.
From a 1999 expose series by Lou Kilzer, Donna Burke sued WWASPS affiliate Teen
Help, alleging that the Tranquility Bay subjected her sons to "the most sadistic and
unwarranted physical and psychological abuse. ... Both are changed from the wonderful,
spontaneous young men they were before Tranquility Bay into robotic victims, afraid of
any authority figure," the suit says. "They have lost their individuality, their spirits are
broken, and their characters ruined. Instead of independent men, they are afraid, haunted
by nightmares, subject to panic attacks and refuse to go anywhere near a beach." (Read
Desperate Measures in the Denver Rocky Mountain News, http://www.denver-
rmn.com/desperate/site-desperate/day2/2front-pg.shtml.)

BRAINWASHING CYCLES

There is no eery resemblance here to the abuse perpetrated on prisoners of war; it’s the
same thing. These program founders aren’t inventing the wheel. They are following
established methods of brainwashing and torture. These are techniques of military
interrogations, including American forces torturing Muslim prisoners today; insane
asylums a century ago; drug rehabilitation programs, beginning with rehab-turned-church
Synanon in the ‘60s and ‘70s; and in every successful cult, religious and/or commercial.
Beginning in the 1970s with Straight, then KIDS, SAFE, numerous derivatives, to
today’s corporate giant WWASPS/Teen Help, the troubled-teen industry is just the latest
face on the movement to psychically destroy people and reprogram them into compliant
subjects devoid of critical thinking.
The difference in this cycle of institutionalized thought coercion is considerably easy to
manage, and profit margins are huge. While cults typically have targeted adults, juveniles
have no rights. The profit is earned up front, fees are set high, overhead and staff costs
are low. And anything goes, from marketing – typically programs have pretty names and
advertise teens doing fun activities in idyllic settings, like a vacation – to the treatment
itself, done in secret, without any legal interference. The occasional court challenge from
scarred survivors is generally settled out of court for exuberant sums, and when programs
are forced to shut down and people ordered out of the industry, they simply reopen and
change names. The day after Straight Inc. was forced to close, SAFE opened, with the
same model, the same building, and the same staff (See Help at Any Cost for details).
It’s difficult to know how many programs are operating in the U.S. Some programs have
religious themes (Mormon is common), some disciplinary, others drug rehabilitation, and
more. Since the linking of Straight, Inc. with the War on Drugs in the 1980s proved so
successful, programs have addressed whatever problems society deems most frightening
– at the moment, ADD, ADHD, and sexual promiscuity, for example.
What this amounts to is a cult industry gone wild. Without governmental oversight, it has
managed to slip through legal challenges time and time again, and is burgeoning with
success.
What is most sickening about this suffering is how unnecessary it is. People are paying
for their children to be institutionalized. And whether they are obviously tortured or not,
what does it say about a society that accepts the kidnapping and incarceration of its
children, who are not yet fully formed, and who have committed no crime?
[/b]


I'm posting these excerpts because I'd like for PV survivors (and any other program survivors) to read it over and tell me how Kat's observations relate to your experiences at PV or any other cesspit.  I don't want to post what I think, because it doesn't matter - you guys lived through it and know how programs function in a way that I (thank God) never will.

A few of you spent time in other programs, either before or after PV.  How did they compare to the pricey and "highly successful, widely respected" pit of gastrointestinal virulence, Penicillin Villi?

Please read Kat's article in it's entirety here:  http://www.isaccorp.org/documents/ricker.pdf   Also, check out her web page http://www.mightykat.net/ , Kat's a Renaissance woman.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #665 on: July 22, 2007, 01:41:28 AM »
Zen, I want to thank you for all of your help as well. You were the one who introduced me to all of this stuff. Before we met, I thought PV was just a nightmare that would never go away. I thought that there was nothing that could be done. you have helped me so much, and i want to thank you.
It means a lot to me. As far as PV is concerned, i will work my ass off until their worst nightmares are their fantasies. I wont stop until then.
Hence my name, SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS.
It is time now for PV to shut the fuck up. I think we have heard enough from them. I know I have and I know  you have,
Once again thank you for your support. You kick ass.
And we are going to toast some PV booty.

HaHaa...

THose bitches...

MY PROMISE FROM HERE ON, I WONT STOP FIGHTING THESE PRICKS TILL THE DAY I DIE OR THE DAY THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. WHICHEVER COMES FIRST, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID:

BRING IT YOU PENINSULA VILLAGE PANSY ASS BITCHES.

All you PV motherfuckers are just that, piles of shit, the shit that I scrape off my shoe, wrapping up your pansy asses in motherfucking ugly ass wrapping paper.

HaHA HA
Steve, if your reading this, BRING IT
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« Reply #666 on: July 22, 2007, 08:26:23 AM »
No.. We are going to take it right to him. Steve can go fuck himself sideways.
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« Reply #667 on: July 22, 2007, 05:41:43 PM »
Yeah, posting "bring it" and "take it to him" about Steve on Fornits is cool, and I'm sure he's reading it and wondering what he's supposed to bring, or is the party coming to him?  Why don't you send it directly to the guy, he's offered an invitation:

My email is spetty@covhlth.com, and my direct phone number (865) 970-1246. I personally will respond to each phone call and email message.[/b]

Damn, it's right there in PV's Summer of Love 2007: A Psychedelic Village Vision.  That's right...listen at ya, Steve, it's time to turn on, tune in, and drop out.  Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair and a paisley Posey straitjacket if you wanna make the scene at PV's Meds, Restraints and Tough Love Fest '07

The Music:

Wendy and the White Trash Whiplash Crew
The Peg-la Maniacs
Jibson and McPunkfunkle
P-V Funk and the Nutha'Shit Connection
MC E. Coli and DJ Ass-Splash
Porta-John Mire
Thora Zine & The Butt-Stickers
Steve Petty and The Bank Breakers


Dig it...For one night only...

"(Nothin' to do in) A-S-T-U"[/i],  "Crotch-hold Man" and "In The Slav'ry"[/b].

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_______________________________________________
A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #668 on: July 22, 2007, 06:08:38 PM »
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Yeah, posting "bring it" and "take it to him" about Steve on Fornits is cool, and I'm sure he's reading it and wondering what he's supposed to bring, or is the party coming to him?  Why don't you send it directly to the guy, he's offered an invitation:

My email is spetty@covhlth.com, and my direct phone number (865) 970-1246. I personally will respond to each phone call and email message.[/b]

Damn, it's right there in PV's Summer of Love 2007: A Psychedelic Village Vision.  That's right...listen at ya, Steve, it's time to turn on, tune in, and drop out.  Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair and a paisley Posey straitjacket if you wanna make the scene at PV's Meds, Restraints and Tough Love Fest '07

The Music:

Wendy and the White Trash Whiplash Crew
The Peg-la Maniacs
Jibson and McPunkfunkle
P-V Funk and the Nutha'Shit Connection
MC E. Coli and DJ Ass-Splash
Porta-John Mire
Thora Zine & The Butt-Stickers
Steve Petty and The Bank Breakers


Dig it...For one night only...

"(Nothin' to do in) A-S-T-U"[/i],  "Crotch-hold Man" and "In The Slav'ry"[/b].



Zen, i gotta hand it to you man... i love it,.. haha i almost fell off my chair im laughing so hard.... yea... i say lets invite Steve to be our VIP guest!

haha you win the medal of PV BASH today.
Congrats there buddy.

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« Reply #669 on: July 22, 2007, 11:14:40 PM »
we woke up very early at PV.
I believe 5:45am
we didn't get to bed till late often
so certainly not a full eight hours of sleep.
and they would wake us up sometimes to be drug out to the wood shed to be shown how much wood we still needed to chop or something random.

If you asked the staff to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night,  the porta potties are a good twenty feet from the cabin, you were sure to have an unpleasant day.  
this is additionally cruel as many of the medications have peeing often as a side effect.

they would with hold anything other then basic foods,
no condiments and such,
as punishment for not meeting work quotas.
we rarely had desert because of this, it was a big deal when we did.
I don't think we cared all that much but staff hyped it up and browbeat us with it.  

They very much encouraged us to become angry and look down on peers that they were picking on.
They punish the entire group for the actions of each individual and try to breed as much anger towards the individual “responsible” as possible.
I’m reading The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.  
It is about the Gulags in Russia and there are weird parallels, for real.  
I guess a prison camp is a prison camp.
Fortunately they were not trying to kill us in PV, although I honestly think they would not mind any if we did ourselves in after the fact.  
A very good reason not too!  

But things like the ridiculously high work quotas and the constant work,
Fortunately we had food but even the using of food as a reward for meeting work quotas is the same.  
Of course in a real Gulag its all food not just condiments?  
A bit more serious certainly.  
But still, who comes up with such things?  
I don't think it is an appropriate way to treat anorexics either, food as a reward, probably not good, especially tied in with abusing them and making them work past the point of all sense.
The turning peers on each other, the brainwashing slogans, being watched and harrassed constantly and so on were all mentioned in the book though.
I think I know where some of the guards reincarnated too or something.
It’s very creepy.  

Of course there is no comparison really in the long run,
Certainly the intent and the horrible aspects of human nature are there , but at least we had food, warm clothes and they couldn’t just bury us in the backyard.
What is scary is seeing how it played out so similarly, with the difference being there were some laws keeping them from basically killing us.  
It's a bit like realizing you looked real evil in the face.
I suppose I already knew that.

I thought what you posted from Kat Ricker's The Crime of Being a Teenager was  great Zen.
It really says a lot  

Of course again in PV you are not allowed to speak to the other girls without staff permission. which is very rarely given for anything other then work related conversation.
you get into a great deal of trouble for supposedly trying to communicate nonverbally with peers as well.
eye contact is frowned upon and likely to get you a consequnce
If you seem to show too much compassion or a friendship seems to be developing you are put on ten feet and not allowed to even look at that person.
Also you must stay ten feet away from them at all times.
this is a difficult thing to do in a small cabin and you are sure to be consequenced constantly because of it.

If a boys group passes by, which isn't that common, and you happen to glance up you are also consequenced.

they like to give out levels and take them away again on whim.
again there are some very odd parallels to the prison camps in the book.  The weird mess with your head things are pretty similar.
and the constant hard labor.

Again we had no free time, we worked and we went to school half the school week with no homework.
weekends we cleaned and did aerobics and wrote our ridiculous schedules.
we didn't really write them, merely organized the endless tasks we had to do each week.
everything was so tightly crammed into the day that we were constantly trying to cram everything we had to do on the schedule in and get it done on time.
this is why we went to bed late often,
also we would have to finish consequences.
everything is timed and the times we were given to do things in were too short and therefore we would inevitably go over giving staff a reason to be abusive.
it was incredibly nerve wracking for someone who was already dealing with being abused.
like the girl in the PV brochure flinching from the shadowy man with his fist raised.
about the same.
it was incredibly nerve wracking period.
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« Reply #670 on: July 22, 2007, 11:32:51 PM »
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I am really glad to see your postings.  
what you wrote was great and I agree totally with what you have too say.

I’m thinking we could maybe send out a complaint about PV to Tennessee legislators,
I wonder if we could get people around PV more aware of what goes on there.
there are neighborhoods the kids tromp through with their wheelbarrows.
I always wondered if people looked out their windows and thought
"what the hell is that?"  
Or maybe we could get in touch with more human rights organizations?
Has anyone talked to a lawyer recently?
I’m sure we could sue for long term damages.
as you said  

" PVs admission criteria is that they help depression, Post traumatic, anxiety, and things of that nature. they claim not to admit anyone violent or homicidal.
So they contradict their admission criteria with the fucked up methods they use to "treat" their patients."

this is very true
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« Reply #671 on: July 22, 2007, 11:37:03 PM »
eye contact in general wasn't allowed, not just with members of the opposite sex.
you would get into a great deal of trouble for seeming to try to communicate non verbally, even for something so little as a glance.
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« Reply #672 on: July 22, 2007, 11:43:44 PM »
hey mokara great posts.. i never made it to the cabins but i can back you up on what you said from knowing the rules of them...
PM me.. i would like to talk to you.

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« Reply #673 on: July 22, 2007, 11:49:02 PM »
PV seems alot like the amityville horror.... you lose your mind when your there and when youre out and away from there, you are remarkably better...
 i found my last focus sheet from PV today,
my focus was goodbye goodluck..
My response written on it in a 10 second version, said
"I am so full of emotion, right now, which i have not felt in a long time and it is nice to feel again!" Good bye PV.

So Like i said  PV is much like Amityville..
I didnt feel anything except when i found out i was leaving...finally....
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« Reply #674 on: July 23, 2007, 01:23:15 AM »
PV is pretty demonic.
it's scary what some people do in such situations
i don't get it
PV was hell on earth for sure
and they were all just so evil really
why go about things like that?
they were never kind, even to some little kid who didn't do anything.

again the book I'm reading is really scary,
it's like the worst case scenario ten fold
It's horrible to think such things happened to people
and really scary to find parallels in places like PV, solid parallels.
It's like some of the mind set is there but fortunately it can't play out to its full horror and I mean full horror.    
in the case of Gulags, I think it got unbelievably ugly because it was backed up and enforced by the state and there were no laws protecting against such horror.
state sanctioned abuse of prisoners, without anything to balance it out?
the whole scenario PV sets up is a very very bad one
it is a really bad place.  
again agree entirely on the Amityville horror thing.

I just don't get why people get carried away with cruelty, do staff narc on each other?
Like if one of them is actually nice and doesn’t torment the prisoners enough do they loose their jobs?  
Do they get written up for it?
 
I'd be happy to PM you
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