If you are from a program, irrelevant arguments about the nature of sexual harassment that dissolve into the pictures and insults that other people ended up throwing around here, do not make program kids look good to parents.
K. Your definition of "sexual harassment" is important if you wish people to believe you when you talk about what went on at PV. You wouldn't want them to think that the worst of it was staff members saying "the C word" around you. It was much worse than that, so why discuss sexual harassment in a
college setting (which you were discussing, which I disagreed with).
Sexual harassment is a big problem for a lot of the girls in PV and it is not just "jokes" it's sexual bullying :roll: that often leads to worse abuse
Also what person out of a program, other than a very sick one, would use program insults.
Where? Program insults?
"You are just being dramatic" is a program staple as is self centeredness.
the girl they put in the bed net mentions it.
and posting non related pictures of abuse and porn is not self centered, and talking about maybe if you did this they would not have raped you?
what in the name of fascist hell is that?
It was all very program, and odd as hell?
I never said you were being dramatic (or at least I don't remembers saying recently, if at all). All I argued was that you should find a better example (not the college one about the guy cumming on the window). That photo somebody posted was really fucked up, I agree.
It seems that people who were not in a program or can't keep it above a level that parents might actually respond too, are not doing anything good either.
Psy I don't think you are PV staff but you have a very program way of arguing?
maybe I do. If I could remember more of who I was before program maybe I could see that more clearly. Then again.. You didn't want to have me attack you in group.
I did not insult you or men I simply said men don't understand the fear of assault the way women do.
there is something very odd about all of this,
I was reading a bunch of posts here and there, and there is something odd in general
when someone from a program posts something often it seems they are attacked about random things like spelling?
who cares about spelling if it is legible
Whoever has to read it, but spelling is not the issue as i see it. for example: You use question marks incorrectly, and to me, it throws me off as to whether a sentence is a question, or a statement. My guess is you write as you "hear", and put question marks where they "sound" right. Regardless of why, it is still difficult to understand.
This is not an attack, I simply want to understand what you have to say better... and maybe suggest a few ways you can help reach more people. Spelling, grammar and formatting may not matter to you (becuase you know what you mean), but when you mean to communicate something important, it helps to do it so in a manner everybody can understand.
and the other lines they are attacked in are also very very program.
what other survivor would attack another survivor about spelling, or call them self centered, or dramatic.
this is program lingo, it’s even on the PV website,
I heard it all sixteen million times a day, they say it to everyone?
There is a lot of money, interests that these programs are defending?
it would seem rational that they would go to sites such as this to protect their interests and to hound survivors away from posting
I am NOT trying to hound you. I am trying to HELP you reach a wider audience. I KNOW how hard it is to believe that anybody wants to help, and i DON'T expect you to believe me.
these sites pop up when you type in the names of the various programs, and they are easy to register with or just post
I post statistics about how many women die from assault and it is irrelevant ranting?
I post about the history of the industry and it is irrelevant ranting
I post about the abuse at PV and how most of the girls were nice relatively normal teens.
I think Zen agent is a cop researching PV maybe? because I know of at least two families that reported PV, I also called the police about it, insurance fraud is no joke
Good lord I bitched at a cop, sorry sorry sorry. It wasn’t personal just in general mad at the way girls out of PV get stigmatized,
I post about PV blaming abuse victims for the abuse they suffered and it is less relevant than you calling me the c word and dramatic?
I post about funding for PV, and other places and state lobbying and the promotion of stereotypes in relation to big money
And pharmaceutical companies also giving money to PV and PV providing them with big business, and this is irrelevant?
It is true and pretty relevant and coherent. Do you understand me?
Money money abuse abuse money stigma money abuse? Does that sum it up for you because I’m done ranting I think.
It does sum it up. It most certainly
does all come down to money... "the love of money..." It does make sense, and I aggree with you on 99% of what you write (only Zen ain't a cop).
I also post about the horrible practices at PV and what a farce therapy is there, and so on
I also collect stories by other survivors from other places and post them here, and this is irrelevant how?
of course I also emailed all the PV survivors on MySpace and asked them to post as well.
that is irrelevant too though I'm sure
It's not. All I was saying is that you might want to make your posts a little easier for most people to read, Among other reasons: a lot of parents will discount you, or ignore you, for things as petty as spelling and grammar. They may be assholes, but their kids are those who suffer ultimately, and to help them, you have to reach the assholes.
