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[Anonymous]

This is the best thread I"ve ever readin my entire life. free and TheWho really help to liven things up and get the shit flying. It's awesome....













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[Nihilanthic]

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The fact that you don't realize how wrong that is is the crux of why you're full of shit.

[TheWho]

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The fact that you don't realize how wrong that is is the crux of why you're full of shit.

Some people cut because they feel desperate for relief from bad feelings. People who cut may not know better ways to get relief from emotional pain or pressure. Some people cut to express strong feelings of rage, sorrow, rejection, desperation, longing, or emptiness.
But people who cut may not have developed ways to cope. Or their coping skills may be overpowered by emotions that are too intense. When emotions don't get expressed in a healthy way, tension can build up — sometimes to a point where it seems almost unbearable. Cutting may be an attempt to relieve that extreme tension. For some, it seems like a way of feeling in control.
The urge to cut might be triggered by strong feelings the person can't express — such as anger, hurt, shame, frustration, or alienation. People who cut sometimes say they feel they don't fit in or that no one understands them. A person might cut because of losing someone close or to escape a sense of emptiness. Cutting might seem like the only way to find relief or express personal pain over relationships or rejection.
People who cut or self-injure sometimes have other mental health problems that contribute to their emotional tension. Cutting is sometimes (but not always) associated with depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, obsessive thinking, or compulsive behaviors. It can also be a sign of mental health problems that cause people to have trouble controlling their impulses or to take unnecessary risks. Some people who cut themselves have problems with drug or alcohol abuse.
Some people who cut have had a traumatic experience, such as living through abuse, violence, or a disaster. Self-injury may feel like a way of "waking up" from a sense of numbness after a traumatic experience. Or it may be a way of reinflicting the pain they went through, expressing anger over it, or trying to get control of it.

I think the point I was trying to convey was that many of these kids come into a TBS from various emotional backgrounds and cutting is a coping mechanism for some of these kids… this can actually intensify during the initial part of their stay…. But if the program is successful for them and they address the underlying issues which are causing them to cut themselves then the cutting should subside over the length of their stay.  As the article points out,  there are many, many underlying causes which can contribute to cutting…. The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.



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[Nihilanthic]

WOW.

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.

Those are contradictory.

Whoever is in the barrel tonight is a fucking idiot and tries to obfuscate with long drawn out overly formatted ripostes trying to dance around the point. That point, bluntly being, that a program is a very stressful unsafe traumatic injurious environment.

[TheWho]

WOW.

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.

Those are contradictory.

Whoever is in the barrel tonight is a fucking idiot and tries to obfuscate with long drawn out overly formatted ripostes trying to dance around the point. That point, bluntly being, that a program is a very stressful unsafe traumatic injurious environment.

Don’t hurt yourself, Niles, I can see how you could view them as contradictory statements.  It is extremely stressful for the child at first.  This is called transition.  Any form of transition whether it is pleasant or not is going to be stressful.. The child is going to be exposed to new people, new diet, new routine etc.... so the cutting could actually increase initially.  But as the child settles in to their new environment hopefully they feel safe enough to start working on the issues that led them there and that the cutting subsides as they work out their issues.



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[Che Gookin]

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The fact that you don't realize how wrong that is is the crux of why you're full of shit.

Some people cut because they feel desperate for relief from bad feelings. People who cut may not know better ways to get relief from emotional pain or pressure. Some people cut to express strong feelings of rage, sorrow, rejection, desperation, longing, or emptiness.
But people who cut may not have developed ways to cope. Or their coping skills may be overpowered by emotions that are too intense. When emotions don't get expressed in a healthy way, tension can build up — sometimes to a point where it seems almost unbearable. Cutting may be an attempt to relieve that extreme tension. For some, it seems like a way of feeling in control.
The urge to cut might be triggered by strong feelings the person can't express — such as anger, hurt, shame, frustration, or alienation. People who cut sometimes say they feel they don't fit in or that no one understands them. A person might cut because of losing someone close or to escape a sense of emptiness. Cutting might seem like the only way to find relief or express personal pain over relationships or rejection.
People who cut or self-injure sometimes have other mental health problems that contribute to their emotional tension. Cutting is sometimes (but not always) associated with depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, obsessive thinking, or compulsive behaviors. It can also be a sign of mental health problems that cause people to have trouble controlling their impulses or to take unnecessary risks. Some people who cut themselves have problems with drug or alcohol abuse.
Some people who cut have had a traumatic experience, such as living through abuse, violence, or a disaster. Self-injury may feel like a way of "waking up" from a sense of numbness after a traumatic experience. Or it may be a way of reinflicting the pain they went through, expressing anger over it, or trying to get control of it.

I think the point I was trying to convey was that many of these kids come into a TBS from various emotional backgrounds and cutting is a coping mechanism for some of these kids… this can actually intensify during the initial part of their stay…. But if the program is successful for them and they address the underlying issues which are causing them to cut themselves then the cutting should subside over the length of their stay.  As the article points out,  there are many, many underlying causes which can contribute to cutting…. The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.



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My first year at 3 springs showed me a group of roughly 10 kids. Of the 10 only one had ever tried cutting before. Once being exposed to cutting by witnessing incidents by the 1 kid a rash of incidents spread through the group like wildfire.

Before the year was up 6 to 7 of the 10 kids in that group had dabbled with cutting in some form.

TBS Programs increase the incidence of cutting.. certainly they don't decrease it.

[Che Gookin]

WOW.

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.

Those are contradictory.

Whoever is in the barrel tonight is a fucking idiot and tries to obfuscate with long drawn out overly formatted ripostes trying to dance around the point. That point, bluntly being, that a program is a very stressful unsafe traumatic injurious environment.

Don’t hurt yourself, Niles, I can see how you could view them as contradictory statements.  It is extremely stressful for the child at first.  This is called transition.  Any form of transition whether it is pleasant or not is going to be stressful.. The child is going to be exposed to new people, new diet, new routine etc.... so the cutting could actually increase initially.  But as the child settles in to their new environment hopefully they feel safe enough to start working on the issues that led them there and that the cutting subsides as they work out their issues.



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No.. they supress them long enough to escape the program.

[TheWho]

WOW.

When a child enters a TBS the pressure is even greater to start focusing on some issues you may not want or are difficult for the child to deal with

The first step is to try and create an environment where the child feels safe enough to talk about their issues and start helping them to resolve them.

Those are contradictory.

Whoever is in the barrel tonight is a fucking idiot and tries to obfuscate with long drawn out overly formatted ripostes trying to dance around the point. That point, bluntly being, that a program is a very stressful unsafe traumatic injurious environment.

Don’t hurt yourself, Niles, I can see how you could view them as contradictory statements.  It is extremely stressful for the child at first.  This is called transition.  Any form of transition whether it is pleasant or not is going to be stressful.. The child is going to be exposed to new people, new diet, new routine etc.... so the cutting could actually increase initially.  But as the child settles in to their new environment hopefully they feel safe enough to start working on the issues that led them there and that the cutting subsides as they work out their issues.



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No.. they supress them long enough to escape the program.

TSW, The cutting itself is a compulsive behavior that is used to suppress other issues from coming to the surface.  The child would not try to suppress the cutting as a vehicle to get thru the program easier, it would be just the opposite..... the cutting (being an impulsive behavior) would get worse and would be an outward sign that the child isn’t getting the help they need.
If on the other hand the cutting subsided then it would be an indication that the child is healing.



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[Anonymous]

cutting increases as a result of the stressful environment.  the who does not know what he's talking about at all.

[TheWho]

cutting increases as a result of the stressful environment.  the who does not know what he's talking about at all.

Seems we partially agree.. the cutting will actually increase in a stressful environment or during a transitional period.  Once the child begins to deal with some of their underlying issues and feels safe within their environment the cutting typically subsides.
As I had mentioned earlier the cutting can actually increase during the initial period of their stay at a TBS due to the stress of the transition.  But once the child settles in the behavior starts to abate.



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[Anonymous]

Good to see TheWho taking an open mind, there could be hope for him yet.

[Anonymous]

Good to see TheWho taking an open mind, there could be hope for him yet.

In the spirit of Christmas, we should welcome TheWho with open arms into the fold. All is forgiven.

[stoodoodog]

cutting increases as a result of the stressful environment.  the who does not know what he's talking about at all.

Seems we partially agree.. the cutting will actually increase in a stressful environment or during a transitional period.  Once the child begins to deal with some of their underlying issues and feels safe within their environment the cutting typically subsides.
As I had mentioned earlier the cutting can actually increase during the initial period of their stay at a TBS due to the stress of the transition.  But once the child settles in the behavior starts to abate.

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Are you familiar with the facility we are talking about on this thread? I am. I didn't feel safe while my child was in Peninsula Village. I am certain my child never felt safe, and believe the feeling of SAFETY is NOT promoted by PV.  I was told by a long term PV family therapist that "staff is not trained to be warm and fuzzy..."

[Anonymous]

Good to see TheWho taking an open mind, there could be hope for him yet.

In the spirit of Christmas, we should welcome TheWho with open arms into the fold. All is forgiven.

God bless you, I couldn't agree more. Praise Jesus!

[TheWho]

Good to see TheWho taking an open mind, there could be hope for him yet.

In the spirit of Christmas, we should welcome TheWho with open arms into the fold. All is forgiven.

God bless you, I couldn't agree more. Praise Jesus!

Thank you everyone, that really means alot to me, especially this time of year.  You guys are not all that bad after all.  Excuse me for a moment....