Who's making it and how?

[ClayL]

I'll have you know my head psrinker says I'm perfectly sane. I would submit that is you have enough sense to think your insane, your probably not.

CL

[Hamiltonf]

Interesting... As a lawyer what's your position on the International Criminal Court and bringing American international terrorists to justice?
Oh, but I forgot.  Do unto others first.
Kissinger
Bush

[Antigen]

There are a lot of Americans who would love to see some of our home-grown international terrorists brought to justice. Believe that. But the majority, unfortunately, just refuse to believe, despite all of the evidence, that there is, was or ever could be such a thing as a rogue US government or US sanctioned terrorism. More and more are coming around. But it's an excruciating process.

[Antigen]

Just because you're crazy doesn't mean they're not out ta' getchya!

I don't know if I'm really crazy or not. Changed, no doubt. More cynical than before, no doubt. Less likely to invest in hopes and dreams that I understand profoundly can be just wiped away at the whim of some altruistic tyrant on a highly unpleasant flight of fancy. But that's not necessarily a crazy world view. Just realistic, seeing as how it's happened to me before.

Are we terrorists? I don't think so. All these years and not one act against the perpetrators more violent or serious than a bottle full of piss thrown at their place of business. (I know NOthing!)

I can almost guarantee, though, that those paranoid freaks at DFAF have used the word to describe us. And that gets less funny with each passing round of propaganda.

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On 2002-11-18 21:52:00, Anonymous wrote:From the recent posts, could it be, with the hatred here that Straight Inc., KIDS, and the American Way -- The training ground for terrorists. Your all crazy.

[Anonymous]

By definition of the Webster collegiate dictionary:

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1795
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
- ter·ror·ist  /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
- ter·ror·is·tic  /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

This would describe EVERY drug treatment program that I have ever heard of. YES, even AA.

Who is a terrorist? Well I guess you could say Mel and Betty Sembler are terrorist (and particularly evil ones at that). But for all intent for that matter, you could call you local police officers terrorist.

Hell you could even go so far as to even call the clergy terrorist. After all do they not preach the fear of GOD's wrath? The glory of eternal happiness in heaven is not enough to keep people in the church, or even in the faith, so that must resort to the FEAR of misfortune to those that do not follow.

It is on my opinion that is how all society is run, by fear. Why do you drive the speed limit? Why do you not trespass on unknown property?

There could be no law without fear or reprisal. So in short, most all of us are terrorists to a degree, some more so then others. And we are in the same boat of having our lives run by terrorists, as our Goberment is one of the best at keeping us in line with the fear of what will happen to us, or God forbid, our children.

Now Be good, and pay your taxes. Don't speed, and oh yea,  SEND YOUR KIDS to OUR EDUCATION CAMPS to learn the 'TRUTH', or we will be at YOUR door!

[dreammagician]

That's funny, a bottle of piss thrown at the window, great goin. I like the idea of shitting in a sock and wipping it around and throwing it in group. Oh well, those were the good ole days, right. Right on Ruth Anns' face. That might piss her off alittle.

[ClayL]

I would think right off the bat there is some trivialization of the word terror going on. To me terror, implys the a time stopping serious car wreck, or the hiss of a bullet as it goes by you down range. Terror is the real fear that your life, or the lives of those you love are threatened. A terrorist is the middle eastern sociopath who happens to be Islamic, it is the "Christian" fundamentalist who blows up an abortion clinic, it is the white supremacist fruitcake in Idaho. I do not think AA or any drug treatment facility falls into this category, with the possible exception of straight. (Although I did not ever fear for my life, sanity most definitely though.) The thing that separates straight from the others is that straight TOLD you you had a problem based on no demonstrable data. In AA the indivdual has to tell themselves they have a problem. I suspect a good portion of the people that leave AA have found a solution other than AA. I think AA's failing is that the people that leave are looked down upon.

Hmm, I'm rambling....

I don't trespass on others property because, here in the South, I don't want to get shot at. I would call this a good survival instinct and respect for others property. After all, I don't want uninvited people on my property. Most Americans think the speed limit is stupid so they don't follow it. Goes back to Locke, "Government is only with the consent of the governed." There are plenty of bloody and nasty cival wars that show the right of rebellion. It is built into the principles of Confusus. Something like a rebellion is just if it succeeds, fits in with Devine Will.

There is also a growing backlash against public education. Most Americans support school vouchers, the NAACP and NEA be damned. Americans do not like the social engineering going on the the public schools to the point more than a few parents are quite happy to sacrifice their time and teach their children at home. Knowing the magnitude of the commitment, I believe this is not considered lightly. The States do not like this with California being the worst in not even acknowledging this Right of the Parent and in some cases prosecuting parents for deliquency and telling them they are poor parents.

Our idiots in Washington are stubborn, slow, lazy and greedy, but they do understand they have to be elected. If the people scream loud enough and the politicians think they will  have to get a real job, the politicians can and do effect change. Slowly and not in the time frame of any normal job, but things do change.

CL

[Anonymous]

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On 2002-11-20 07:38:00, ClayL wrote:
Terror is the real fear that your life, or the lives of those you love are threatened.

I hate to disagree with you, but unfortunately there are things that are far worse then death. Death is but a quick end in which there is a finite amount of punishment/pain. How about having your children taken from you and put into foster care (where many have been sexualy asualted in the past). Woudl you not call the fear of this worse then the fear of death?

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On 2002-11-20 07:38:00, ClayL also wrote:
There is also a growing backlash against public education. Most Americans support school vouchers, the NAACP and NEA be damned.

I am in the middle of this backlash as I home school my kids. But so far my opinion does not seem to stop authority from using coercion and the strong arm of the law to attempt to get our children back into public school.  I was just reading about a case the other day where in IOWA an area superintendent sent truant officers to a home schoolers home, and threatened them with jail, for truancy. Unfortunately I an unable to find the story again but here are some examples:

The department considers as truant children who are home-schooled by their parents who do not have a credential, whether or not the parents have filed the affidavit.

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On 2002-11-20 07:38:00, ClayL also wrote:
Our idiots in Washington are stubborn, slow, lazy and greedy, but they do understand they have to be elected. If the people scream loud enough and the politicians think they will  have to get a real job, the politicians can and do effect change. Slowly and not in the time frame of any normal job, but things do change.

The problem with this is that with change comes yet MORE rules and MORE regulations for people to live by, and that is the last thing we need. What we do need them to do is repeal laws, not create new ones. And for the life of me, I cant seem to rember the last law that was repealed? (hm... mmust think on that one)

Most astutely pointed out by our forfathers, in the Deceleration of Independence over 225 years ago:

experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed

I think you may be mistaken, while people may cast the vote, the media is who tells them to do so, and the lobbyist pay for it. So in short it is big business and big money that is running this country and making the rules for the rest of us. Even in our 'Democratic' Society the Majority does not rule, if so Al Gore would be the duly elected president (I voted libertarian so don't even start down road that I am just a whiner).

It is the Darwin in me that says we need to eliminate this level of interference from Goberment in our lives. Let natural selection and common sense rule. We could go a long way in solving violent crime with MORE vigilantism, and corpRat crime with LESS consumerism.

I don't know if anyone has seen one of the latest Nike commercials where they have a 'group' of people running through the wilderness like a heard of cattle (*me thinks sheep*). And All I can think of is they can call people sheep right to their face, and those same people will go out and buy the product. Only in America!

[ClayL]

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On 2002-11-20 08:39:00, SysAdmin wrote:... And All I can think of is they can call people sheep right to their face....

I heard one person refer to this as Sheeple...

As for the rest of the post I agree but from a different angle.

CL

[Tampa survivor]

Sounds like a weird meat-like product from those amazing folks at Hormel.

[Anonymous]

Do you think it is legal to hunt Sheeple. I just move to PA and am a little short on cash. Fresh meat would be a nice change of pace :smile:

[dreammagician]

I know we must have a topic to rap about. Terror, let me think, could terror be the thought of waking up and not being able to move. How about letting others mess with your head. Maybe, losing your so called loved ones. Could terror be living alone on the streets with only your pocket knife to defend yourself from people. Maybe having to sleep in your car for years until you can make enough money to actually afford a place of your own. I know, perhaps terror is being told I love you when the reality is I will kick you out on the streets and spit on you in the name of straight. Wait a minute, a brainstorm. Take lots and lots of drugs, mix them up and inject them in your arm and hope to die. hmmmm, maybe I got something. Oh well, at least there is someone out there, because if there weren't this message would never get received. On a serious note, terror is when I look in the mirror and am reminded that no one on the face of this earth can ever change the way things worked out in my life.

[Tampa survivor]

Terror can be breaking into a car to sleep in and being caught in the morning by the owners.  Ice cold Marietta night as a split from straight.  I didnt know how to drive or i would ve stolen the car.
I hauled ass and got some funny looks.

[Antigen]

I used to have nightmares that I was waking up in a foster home, just like back in the bad old days, gradually tearing myself away from much needed sleep, trying to remember if I was a newcomer or oldcomer.... only I was an adult. And my kids were newcomers. And I anguished over how much of the truth to tell them about trying to find a way out. I had to tell them enough to sustain them, so they'd resist the brainwashing. But always mindful that they might just turn me in.

This http://www.darpa.mil/iao/ , together with the knowledge that the founders of Straight, Inc. have put two presidents in the white house, gives me a good dose of terror.

[Tampa survivor]

Good catch mrs ginger.  John Poindexters latest intrusive idea.  HOW THE FUCK CAN A GUY BUSTED AND CONVICTED OF LYING TO  CONGRESS END UP IN CHARGE OF THIS ORWELLIAN SCHEME?
I love the logo too...they aren't even shy about what they have done. Most people here and on the street think it is "nessecary" to catch the bad guys.
I HIGHLY recommend that everyone go rent "The Handmaid's Tale" to celebrate the death of our wonderful nations freedom.
Look on the newscasts in that movie.  You will find the logo is nearly exactly the same used by the right wing regime in that movie as the one used by DARPA TIA;s site.
Bill